Schizophrenia caused by bad parenting?

You can't take the two apart. Impossible. The genes are clearly triggered by outside influence as well, explaining the sudden rise of psychoses almost together with the industialisation.
But that's not all, the genes remain in society because they have advantages (schizophrenics hardly get lung cancer even though a huge percentage of them is a smoker).

I'm not going in any details backing this up, but it's just nonsensical to claim genetics somehow outcompete the environment. The whole point is that they respond and evolve in regard to it. "Taken seperately" --> no.

 

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Of course they can't be taken seperately. Environment and genetics go hand in hand, but it is fairly obvious from the numbers that genetics play a larger role than environment. 1% for random chance. 3% for environment. 9% for genetics. 16% for both.

Note. This is not saying that the earlier numbers are environment without genetics. Far from. It's saying that the combination of what could be termed as positive and negative values in a simple spectrum of genetic and environments has different odds of leading to schizophrenia.

There is still genetics involved in the 1% and 3% chances of the early numbers. The person has genes, after all. But, it's not a directly inherited form of genetics. A pre-existing condition from the biological parent.

There is also environment involved in the 9% chance of the mid number. Just not an environment provided by a pre-existing schizophrenic condition. Not an environment that directly 'teaches' schizophrenia as a form of 'culture'.

Also, the research I mention is not entirely on target as it doesn't mention abuse, merely schizophrenia. The table becomes more complex with 3 factors thrown in. And I have little doubt that with all three being 'positive' (I.e. biological parent with schizophrenia, adoptive parent with schizophrenia, abusive environment) that the odds go way up past 16%.

But. Guessing is not science. Is it?

Is it?

The article doesn't support its contention. That's all.

It's sensationalism.
I'd say the guy is trying to get noticed to receive funding. Hence the statement about only 1% of research funding going to these types of studies. He's saying that he wants money for research.
It's fairly obvious.

And that's ok. But it's important to see things as they are.
Perhaps his research will bear fruit.
Perhaps not.
It's all smoke and mirrors right now.
And the fact of the matter remains that medication is, at present, the most effective way of dealing with schizophrenia.
Until new studies that suggest different and more effective treatments are brought to the table, then his statements are out of place in anything but a sensationalistic setting.
They're just the sort of thing that people like Metakron et al latch on to to shore up their own unscientific belief systems.
Hook. Line. And sinker.

And I'm not even saying that those involved intend such a consequence. As I said, this is a fairly obvious bid for research funding. But, that's the 'real world' effect that this type of thing has. This is what it does 'on the ground'.
And is irresponsible to say the least.
Makes one wonder if such irresponsibility should be rewarded with funding?

 

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I think of schizophrenia as a garbage-dump, catch-all diagnosis anyway.

The violence against friends and family: Throw someone in with a group of strangers. If that group of strangers treats him kindly, it is normal for him to respond with kindness in turn. If that group starts violent confrontations with him, it is normal human behavior to use violence to defend yourself, especially if there is simply no other way to stop the violence against yourself.

My family got off on it. A lot of families do. I had to become tougher than they were and the violence stopped. Then I was convicted of being a paranoid schizophrenic and my mother responded predictably by becoming predatory again every time she saw a weakness in me. I had to deal with her violence again. Only, if I didn't make an effort to toe a line that she might move without notice, (that act maddens me) then she would be quite ready to bring the police in and have them do me. So I became a liar. Cute, on top of my other problems, I was a sociopath. Rarely did I ever process in my brain the fact that I was dealing with sociopaths. They were liars from day one, and they were violent. I was the receiver of violence. The people who gave me that violence treated me as if I was crazy when I started hitting back.

It is easy to see that a lot of times when these schizophrenics get violent with friends and family, they want them to stop pushing them around and trying to control their lives. For everything violent that such a person does, he has previously absorbed several hundred acts of mental and physical violence against him. Then the people who he is rightly trying to push away escalate the level of violence, using his responses as an excuse. If he were a normal person his behavior would be considered normal. A normal person being shoved around like that is not being treated for his illness, he is being assaulted and battered.

I mean, really. The people who accused me of being likely to harm myself and others had hair-trigger tempers connected to swinging arms and fists. They were quite likely to call the police and lie about something that I did. I didn't have to test that much. I knew how they had behaved before. They would do something to me and lie about it. If I did something to them they did their best to bring about Armageddon, no matter how much they had to scream and lie. I've got to ask the world. If someone has the habit of hitting me across the face, how many times do they get to do it before I have the right to even hit back once?

The fights that were never resolved are what drive me mad today. If I want to be "treated" I have to take drugs that could damage my internal organs, will shut down my emotions so that I can never feel good either, and I will not be able to work this through at all. The so-called therapeutic goal, one of them anyway, will be so that I will be unable to do violence to people who put me through more than a decade of violent hell, beating me with impunity.

This is part of the life of a "schizophrenic." He becomes a "schizophrenic" so that he doesn't poison his own parents at the age of ten, so that part of his life he can feel somewhat like a normal person, and so that he doesn't go after his schoolmates with a baseball bat while they feel free to do anything they want to him, which is usually violent. Then the twisted bastards want to cure him of that, destroying the part of him that tries to carry on a normal life and working really hard to pump up the side of him that has developed in response to the violence. One of the reasons that he won't hit back is because it won't teach them a lesson. They can't learn lessons. They are safe because they can't be taught. This gives a person the firm impression that they are not human.

If there is any goal to this system, forget it. It is sick.

 

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