Nihilism

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Nanonetics, Aug 24, 2006.

  1. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    NIHILISM

    Rejection of all inherent value frees us from a fascination with both materialism and moralism. These beliefs assert that what exists has ultimate value, and therefore that it is an end in itself and not a means to a life process. Nihilism asserts the opposite, and thus begins a path which leads us past fear of death to a heroic worldview.
     
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  3. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Why did you spam the forum with another nihilism thread? This is just propaganda, not even a desire to discuss or a point of discussion.

    You're Android's sock puppet, right?


    Anyway.

    What inherent values? It seems you've conceded that values are inherent and universal? Thus they exist to be rejected?

    Considering the possibility that you just made a semantic boo boo, do you then suggest a rejection of all values rather than analysis of existing values and judgement on which values are beneficial and which are not?

    The opposite?
    So, nihiilism asserts that what doesn't exist has ultimate value? Or that that which exists has no value?

    Either assertion seem useless.

    So nihilism is then about valuing this 'lack of fear of death'?

    And also values a 'heroic' worldview?

    Are these not already part of the present value-system? Should these values not also be rejected?



    Now. For a serious question. Does your mascara run when you get all sweaty from being a hero?
     
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  5. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    I have an idea. Let's call it democracy. We'll give participants freedom so that even the worthless members feel good while contributing nothing, even in many cases if they are parasitic, destroying in order to gratify themselves. We'll each use our freedom to push our own narrow views, every member arguing against the other. We'll pretend that we are exercising our rights and working for progress when in reality nothing whatsoever has been accomplished, rather a corrupt cycle of decay has taken root.
     
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  7. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    So is sarcasm a value that should be rejected? Or will it be kept as part of the new heroic ideology along with black trenchcoats and waterproof mascara?

    Is it also safe to assume that nihilism rejects the value of debate where assertions are made, counterarguments are made, etc...?
    Instead, under the new heroic order of nihilism, it'll just be random words thrown one after the other?




    Alright. Enough sarcasm.
    Nihilism, to me, is simply the knowledge that values aren't inherent. And that one should examine one's set of values to determine which are useful and which are not.

    Choice.

    Nihilism is about choice.

    Your first assertion of the rejection of all values is mere knee-jerk reactionism and negates all choice. Negates all freedom.

    Your heroic nihilism is simply the slave turning the tables on the master. Negating the prior system. Yet still a slave to it.

    Because he has no choice.

    Poor slave. Poor slave mentality.
     
  8. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    Well said. Questions about the nihilism primer are best directed to the author of the piece. Several channels of communication are available.
     
  9. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Which affirms my original point of this thread being nothing more than propaganda and spam.

    Motion to delete thread.

    Any seconds?
     
  10. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    Are links to news articles about the Iraq invasion and negative discussions about the Bush administration also propaganda or do they not qualify if they are welcome topics?

    Let's observe our democracy at work.

    Good Thread! = I agree
    Propaganda!!111!!!!11! = I disagree
     
  11. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Let's see what we have here.

    You've posted a blurb with a link to a website.
    There is practically no point of discussion.
    I, however, have endeavoured to make a discussion despite my previous knowledge of you being a spammer for anus and corrupt.

    You have since admitted that you a.) didn't write the piece and b.) have nothing to add or say about what was written.

    Thus, the only possible conclusion is that this thread be categorized as spam and treated as such.

    (I figured I'd get a response from you when I brought in democratic procedure, by the way. Slaves are very predictable. It's because of the shackles, you see. You really have no choice.)

    Edit:

    And let the records show that the defendent has since posted another spam thread in the parasychology forum.

    A quick review of the defendant's posting history will reveal his nature as a propaganda agent for the two aforementioned organizations.

    Further, he has been accused by a moderator (Q) of being a sock puppet of another user, android, who is also a propaganda agent for both of the aforementioned websites. However, android generally seems able to discuss the issues so this is possible evidence that the defendant and android are not one and the same. Perhaps roommates or sharing an ip in some other fashion.

    This is all just character evidence, the true evidence is this thread itself.



    Edit the second:

    Ah. I know.
    You're android's 'partner', yes?
    Not quite as bright as your paramour?
     
  12. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    Resorting to ad hominem to make your defective case?
     
  13. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    No. My case went unchallenged.

    I'm resorting to ad hominem just for the fun of it.

    Boo!
     
  14. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Oh.

    And to return to my earlier line of argumentation:

    Am I to derive from this particular presentation that use of marginalizing tactics such as this use of the excited netguy's misuse of 1's and !'s is also not to be rejected out of hand?

    It's funny that you should attempt to portray me as the knee-jerk reactionary when it, in fact, you who is asserting a lifestyle based on negation rather than choice.

    It is you who choose to define yourself by what you're not rather than who you are.

    It is you who cries out it teh internets that nihilism roxxorz.

    You sexy beast, you.

    Is android hot in the sack or what? How big is his package? He claims to be half black? Did he take after his mommy or daddy in the penis department?

    And, speaking of penises. Does nihilism reject them as well?
     
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    Are you actually useful for anything beside pointless critique? What do you contribute?
     
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    You have 5500 posts and you actually claim that other people are slaves. I've found a use for you: comedian.
     
  17. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    I thought I was trying to bring your thread to an actual discussion of your original assertion.

    Remember? My posts up there? You know. Up there....^^^^

    Remember? The ones that you couldn't answer? The ones which you said I should talk to the author of your propaganda about?

    What do you contribute?

    Spam?
     
  18. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Let's see here.
    You were completely unable to respond to any of my points on nihilism. Not a single one.

    You accuse me of ad hom.

    And now here you are. Engaging in ad hom.

    You're also positing values. That is, you're applying a negative value to a high post count. This is a rather common tactic, by the way. It is the commonly value of the jock spitting on the nerd. The herd ridiculing the dorky computer guy. Ha ha. FUnny little computer geek. Look at him. Ain't he stupid and awkward?

    Did you get this from nihilism?

    Another value you've just displayed.
    When put upon, a common defense mechanism of the herd is to claim amusement.
    You amuse me, says the slave to his harrasser.
    "You callin' me a clown?"

    I'm calling you a slave.

    Dance, puppet, dance.
     
  19. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    I'm just doing that for fun since you were completley unable to answer what you are good for.

    I have a better idea. Instead of closing threads where folks attempt to connect ideas to people, how about removing the useless who fail to contribute anyting other than to consume your bandwidth gratifying themselves.
     
  20. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    And now you're imitating me?
    Just doing it for fun?

    Heh.

    I did answer what I was good for.

    Remember? The posts up there? The ones about your opening post that you were unable to respond to?

    Oh. Wait. Did you mean something affirming? Could you possibly mean that I should direct your attention to some posts of mine where I'm not... negating something? Where I"m not criticizing something? Where I'm not examining values put on display in front of me?

    Uh.
    Dude.
    Did you forget that being a nihilist was about more than that black trenchcoat and the mascara?

    Seriously, guy.
    If I were you? I'd stop responding. You're not doing very well. Maybe you should wait til your boyfriend gets home and let him take over.

    You've basically said that what you're using as a criteria for 'useful poster' is someone who applauds. Someone who accepts.

    A slave.
     
  21. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    I'd have no problem with this thread if it were something that was up for discussion. But, you seem to be more into propaganda. You'd like a medium which doesn't criticize because you are unable to cope with the criticism. Nihilism is about rejecting them, yes? Wrong.

    Look at yourself. Fuck them.

    Look at yourself and decide what to value.

    Look at yourself and examine your values.

    Everytime you look to them to define yourself, you merely rattle your chains. Making them all the tighter.

    This is a slave's mentality.



    Am I merely contradicting you?
    Am I merely been negative and destructive?
    Am I a hateful and destructive person for dealing with you inthe manner which I am?

    No.
    Look at my posts.

    Look at what they spell out.

    They spell out true nihilism. Not this pretty boy bullshit that you tried to propagandize in your opening post.

    Not your fucking heroic worldview garbage.

    Your wanna fucking be some kind of fucking Nietzschean bullshit.

    Throw off your fucking shackles if you have the god damned strength to do it.

    Anus isn't the fucking way, obviously. It has you by your fucking anus. With three fists up there, Woody style.

    Slave.

    Nihilist slave.

    Ad hom?
    Every word I've said has been carefully constructed and follows directly from your opening post.

    I dare you to deny this.

    I dare you to negate this.

    Dare.
     
  22. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    False. Nihilism is methodology, not lifestyle.

    I will not debate with someone who has refused to examine the material presented and who has displayed ignorance about the subject.
     
  23. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Methodology equates to lifestyle.

    You mean this?
    "Rejection of all inherent value frees us from a fascination with both materialism and moralism. These beliefs assert that what exists has ultimate value, and therefore that it is an end in itself and not a means to a life process. Nihilism asserts the opposite, and thus begins a path which leads us past fear of death to a heroic worldview. "​
    Do you need me to link you to the posts in which I addressed the material presented?
    I can you know. It wouldn't bet that much effort. Seeing as how they're all up there.
    Remember?
    Up there?

    Wait.
    Didn't you earlier say this?

    "Well said."

    This was said in response to a statement I made which said something quite different from your opening statement. I really don't know why you complimented me on my post seeing as how it was just another example of me not adding anything useful to the forums and all.

    And ignorance of the topic?

    "Questions about the nihilism primer are best directed to the author of the piece."

    Is this evidence of your ignorance of the topic? Coupled with your complete and total inability to respond to any single point on the matter?

    You're fucked up, dude.
    I mean that in a most sincere and non-sarcastic manner.

    You should go to sleep now.
     

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