Bush plans to attack Iran already on assembly line

Quick search on google:

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1060102.php

 

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We have lots of nukes.

I remember that. Hopefully, they've learned from that experience. That is the purpose of war games, isn't it?

 

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How many exactly? I know its in 5 figures.

I wouldn't be surprised if the US nuked Iran.
Looks like they're getting itchy fingers anyway.

 

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All ya gotta do is keep talking about it and it'll eventually either happen or come true.

- N

 

You don't think so?

 

This is text from your Google search, but it seems like a failure of the blue cmd. If there were small boats "circuling around" for hours, with no suitable cover (fishing etc) why were they not boarded and searched?

Anyway, thanks for the link.

 

Well, that proves my original point.

 

Which was (I think) "equipment alone doesn't mean anything."

If this was your point, it is well illustrated in a cartoon I saw once:

A very modern jet (lots of bombs hanging from wing pods etc.) is stopped on the runway just near a native in grass skirt etc. The native's spear is sticking in the nose wheel. (Sort of like TOW missile sticking in one of the world's best tanks, against other tanks.)

Talk about your "asymmetrical warfare" that cartoon captures it well. As does you example of Blue's attempting to use sophisticated electronic ease dropping to collect elint about Red's plans when Red is using motor cycle riders (or carrier pigeon) cmd system.

 

these fascists are shouting
"the mushroom cloud is on its way!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5BPVF1C5LE

hmmm, i wonder where to?

 

I really hope the FBI is watching these guys very closely. If not citizens, they should be deported.

 

How would you suppose we handle the uh, fallout, from that?

And you call yourself an American...

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Do you even realize how impossible it is to track millions of people? Cargo containers? Points of border entry?

The same principle extends to non-proliferation policy. You can't stop all the countries that hate the U.S. from obtaining WMD. Especially since that's pretty much all of them. Iran will have nuclear weapons. The U.S. will be forced to reconcile it's relationship to a total nuclear world.

There will be no invasion. Even conservative think tanks admit that invading Iran is impossible. Their army is too advanced. The territory is too unforgiving. And they are being shielded by China and Russia.

 

Not worth a new thread and this is as good a place as any for it, especially in view of post Teq just made:

See interesting and informative, CNN’s two-hour special (“In the footsteps of Bin Laden”) if you can. It had two points that stand out to me:

(1) After Bin Laden’s first success* he returned to Saudi Arabia to offer the services of his loyal soldiers to rid Islamic Yemen of its Godless communist rulers, but was rejected. When Saddam, a very secular leader the deeply religious Bin Laden despised, invaded Kuwait, Bin Laden again offered to drive Saddam from Kuwait and again was rejected. Instead the Saudi Family turned to the US, providing airbases within the kingdom and accepting many US soldiers stationed in the holy land of Islam, even allowing liquor imports for them, etc. In Bin Laden’s eyes this was far worse than the Russians invading a relatively unimportant Islamic land, far from the holy shrines. After vanquishing the Russians, this religious war hero, needed a new enemy. The Saudi Royal family plus the US and Israel became his main enemies.

(2)After 9/11, Bin Laden’s son disserted him and returned to Saudi Arabia. He did not disagree with the need to oppose US influence in the region, but with the tactics of a direct strike against the US, which aroused an “eight hundred pound gorilla” against their common objective of creating a unified Islamic world, free of foreign infidels, under Islamic law, etc. At this same time, Bin laden was falling more under the influence of Egyptian spiritual leaders who, unlike his previous spiritual guides, thought that the Koran did justify both “preventive attacks” on Islam’s aggressors and striking against Islamic leaders collaborating with them** (such as the Saudi Royal family, which soon stripped Bin Laden of his citizenship and froze his fortune in the kingdom, at US request). In addition to trying (successfully thus far) to avoid capture or death, by “lying low,” Bin Laden also seems to have realized the need to avoid additional direct attacks on the US. Many of his followers were in agreement with his son and he even apologized to them during the pounding they were taking in the Tora Bora mountains.

He warned in advance of the attack on the USS Cole and the two US embases in Africa and continued to follow the injunctions of the Koran to always warn your enemy prior to striking as well as offering forgiveness if they convert to Islam. In the 9/11 case, the clear warning came in Bin Laden’s comments, recorded by a TV journalist two months prior to the event, and rebroadcast in this CNN program, that there would soon be “a need for many coffins in the US.” Also in accord with the Koran, he always seeks clerical authorization before striking. He has recently received such authorization for a massive strike, provided it does not kill more than 10 million innocents.

In view of the numerous nuclear weapons the former USSR has lost track of and the fact that less than 1% of the containers that dock along the Hudson River ports of NY and NJ, it seems reasonable to guess how this authorization will be used, although I have not yet heard or read about the mandatory warning. Perhaps Saudi oil ports, rather than New York will be the target as NY has more than 10 million people.
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*The battle of Jaji, where, with the CIA’s stinger missiles, he drove the Russians occupying Afghanistan back for the first time and gained fame in the Islamic world as the defender of the faith against the Godless invaders. (Like many before him, the CIA made the greatest enemies of the US.),
**Ironically two views GWB also soon began to defend.

 

That's pretty unlikely. It's hard enough for a nonstate actor to acquire a nuke. Launching a nuke, detonating a nuke, transporting a nuke, etc. are all difficult tasks.

Regardless of CNN scare-documentaries, which one can imagine must serve a simple political purpose, there is very little room for a new attack. It's not because Anti-terrorism works. Sadly anti-terrorism has probably gotten worse with all the money being thrown at it.

It's likely that Israel (what with kidnapping the entire Palestinian Parliament AND targeting Lebanese children with missiles) will be the next target.

 

What would they gain by nuking the US?

 

Death, destruction, publicity, the second coming, nuclear winter ... the possibilities are endless

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Bin Laden also had a crush on Whitney Houston and his favorite TV show was MacGyver.

- N

 

once, i had a stoned friend that sang the "go bots " theme...substituting the actual words with "MACGUYVER! MACGUYVER!!"

thats the end of my story.

 

I was speaking of placing one in a shipping container, not "launching it," but can you give a little details about why detonating or transporting is "difficult"? Please assume a small nuclear artillery shell, one of the dozens USSR lost, and Russia has no idea where they are. Most men can easily carry one and a $100 GPS unit can tell it when it has arrived in the NYC docks area. Also note that there is room in the wheel wells of airplanes for even a man to hide. (Unfortunately some foolish ones still do and die from lack of air and / or the cold.) Surely a ground crew "mole" could place one here with a "return to full atmospheric pressure" activated “impact simulator” detonation. etc. (might not get NYC central, but Kenndy Airport area and a few mile radius from ground zero of Long Island would be OK to make their point.)

I am not an expert on this, but think that the nuclear artillery shells both US and USSR developed do not have completely tamper proof arming etc. as they had to be quickly usable by the field artillery.

 

Correction

the USSR didn't lose anything. They sold them.