Who believes and who doesn't?

I see, then your argument is that if something is unknown it must be of a divine nature?

No, they blatantly disagree with each other.

 

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actually, they dont.
for one, abrahamic faiths all agree that they are eating the same dish. they only have arguments over how to prepare it.

once it has been prepared properly for the particular people in question, muslims, jews, and christians (and a host of others) can sit and acknowledge that they are eating the same meatloaf as eachother.

stick to harrassing ToR. it suits you better than debating theology in which you are not educated.

 

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hey, no need to be rude. besides i was just replying to someone else who mentioned about an organisms will to survive and reproduce. he believes that because is seems to be implanted in a organism to do this, then there must be a greater purpose (i'm pretty sure that's what he was saying, but you can check on page two of this thread to double check me).

just out of curiosity though, haven't you ever given any thought to why so many things on this planet almost seems to be geared to supporting life?

 

If it wasn't for an organisms built in survival methods, then life wouldn't get far beyond the primordial goo that we all evolved from. I don't know what you mean by this proves there is a 'greater purpose', but if by this you mean something divine you will need to prove that otherwise you are just making a leap of faith.

You don't appear to understand something called 'odds'. Earth is suitable for life due to it's circumstances. In other words it is luck. If Earth was smaller like Mars, we would have no atmosphere enough to incubate life. It just happens that way. Given the amount of stars in the visible universe, Earth, statistically won't be the only planet were conditions were just right.

 

Yes, I can clearly see that you're not one to get involved with over debating meatloaf.

In any event, just sit quietly in the corner over there and don't bug the adults - we'll call you when the meatloafs ready.

 

I do understand 'odds', and they are like 200 million to 1 if not greater. and for people who need evidence to believe something, you'd think they would want a better explaination from science then luck, fluke, or miracle to believe it came about all by itself without the help of a higher power, alien or something else. almost looks like you need "faith" for your belief just like i do for mine.

just a question, i know science says that our sun is going to burn out, do you have any links where i can read up on it? Thanks.

 

But all the evidence says that it was luck and a fluke. Miracle would mean it would be impossible made possible by divine intervention which isn't the case. The earth formed at the relative distance from a G type star and was a nice size. This isn't to say the Earth is the only circumstance life could form. If the Earth was further away, it might be harder for life to form, but if the star was larger/brighter it would cancel it out. There are probably limitless situations life could form on a planet/moon, but we only have one example to go on.

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1997/38/astrofile/

It could be interpreted as that, but why not look at the complexity of Jupiters atmosphere and say that's been 'designed'?

 

what the hell is your problem?
still mad that i defended the object of your obsession?

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dude, you are a joke.

 

TDI:

(Q) and I are having a very "civil" war these days.

We've both agreed that I'm delusional and he's rational.

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Does Mel Gibson believe.

Jesus was a jew,
Mel has his own catholic church.

Mel hates christ because I was a jew.

How terribly ironic.
don't you think. ???

 

No amount of defence is gonna get you laid, pal.

 

That statement only serves to undermine the position of theists next to their religions as the whole concept of a single god with a single message for all simple doesn't exist.

 

Yes it does, if you go far enough back into any religion.

e.g. Hinduism is generally considered as a polytheistic religion

But if you examine the core of Hinduism, i.e. the Vedas, The Rig Veda says:

ekam sat viprā bahudhā vadanti
Truth is One, but sages call it by many names

 

All prais the flying meatball monster,go pastafrianism

 

No. Anglican. It was the then Bishop of Durham I think.

 

Yep. David Jenkins.

 

I'm sure many things appear supernatural/magical with ignorance, I mean things like black holes, lightning, weather, etc...all appeared that way with ignorance

With knowledge, there is nothing supernatural, even if there is.

 

Lyrics from yankee rose. David Lee Roth, Anton Levay, Aleister Crowley.
The church of satan. They believe.

"she's beautifull!, I'm talkin about a yankee rose".
are you ready for the new sensation now here's a shock heard around the world.
"guess who's back in circulation, now I don't know what you're made of PAUL, but
what I need right now is the original good times gold".
"she's a vision from coast to coast. sea to shining sea"
"hey sister you're the perfect ghost".
with a toast.

you're toast David.
you love the fruit but hate the tree?

pay up or burn and Maybe I won't play this song over and over for you in hell for eternity!