The Race thread. How many races are there REALLY? Does race even exist?

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Not wrong, just not politically correct.

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Does anyone want to discuss the concept of "hybrid vigor". One thing I've noticed in Hawaii is that most people are of mixed race, thoroughly mixed, with many many racial backgrounds.

One of the subjective observations I've made is as to 'beauty' (a truly ephemeral/ethereal concept, to say the least). It seems to me that when a less-than-average looking guy of one race (compared to the other males of his race), and a less-than-average looking gal of another race (compared to the females of her race), mate and have children, their offspring always end up better-than-average looking; i.e. they are good looking kids. That makes for a lot of hot looking women in Hawaii (from a male perspective), and a lot of male hunks in Hawaii (from a female perspective, as I've been told). This seems to hold true for every race mixture (and in Hawaii, we have almost all races, as well as almost all mixed-race combinations).

Anyway, with the ability for rapid mobility around the globe of both sexes, it would appear that the global future would follow what's happened in Hawaii - a blending of all of the races over time.

What other places on our globe has such racial mixing as Hawaii?

 

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That cartoon is just sick.

 

Yeah I'm sure thats how nature wants things to happen, I'm sure it would lead to evolution, and I'm sure most people would rather have humanity die and go extinct entirely than have a mixed society.

 

Probably related to the recent findings that beauty is a measure of the 'average' genetic distribution. When researchers have used software to blend multiple, random faces, they find that the more faces they blend in, the more attractively rated the hybird face becomes by a study group.

I don't think either of these are the original study, I am familiar with the original through the subsequent work of Judith Harris, but a quick Google gave me some links that you can read up if you find this fascinating:

http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakult...II/beautycheck/english/zusammen/zusammen1.htm

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/sci_cult/courses/beauty/web5/rdonatelli.html

 

I’m with you sister.
And none of this can be attributed to nature.
It’s all nurture.

I mean take gender – a purely social construct, if I ever did see one – and, oh how paternalistic authoritarian systems have taught us this primitive garbage.

I mean there is no gender in nature, right? Just as there is no race.
I would say there are no species, as well.
Man has made all these categories up using generalizations and prejudiced thinking.
We’ve made all this stuff up to project our insecurities.
Nature doesn’t use visual or sensual physical markers to expose genetic value or essence.

We are all equal, people! All the same.
Wake up all you sexist, racist, backward-thinking, prejudiced thinkers!
This is the age of the enlightened, western man-child!!
Hail the age of female thinkers.

A hen has been tricked by the rooster to sit on the eggs while he crows in the open fields.
Let us take up an errand for the emancipation of females, no matter their species.
Chickens deserve equal opportunities for crowing.
And what about homosexual roosters?
Shouldn’t they build nests and warm eggs of their own?
It’s a lifestyle.

Why should not a hen crow and a rooster pick up some of the burden of nest building and egg warming?
Does this feel fair?
It sounds sexist to me that a hen has been tricked into this role by the rooster.
Some modern western enlightenment is required to teach these creatures what is moral and just and right.
I see things like that and I just want to cry “fowl”.

Imagine that. Believing in gender….. Sheesh...

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Might as well not believe in God, while we're at it.

Why do lionesses do all the hunting, anyways?
Discrimination, I tell you - all part of a vast paternalistic conspiracy.
Lion culture is distinctly sexist and must be corrected.
Some human intervention is required. Some ‘education’.

Sex is just sex, it has no other effect.
Just superficial body parts arranged differently - plumbing.
Same goes for physical traits which can be used to trace family trees or genetic pasts.

I guess the environment must have had a profound enough affect to produce physical differences, such as pigmentation, but this doesn’t mean it also had mental or psychological ones.
That’s plain ludicrous.
We all know that nature only has superficial effects on life. We all know there’s a difference between the physical and the spiritual.

Life, in fact, is all the same.
We are all spirits trapped in this corporeal form. Matter doesn’t matter.
Matter is just the clothing of existence.
The soul, people, that’s what life is!!!!
God said so in a book and it just feels right.

Why do we discriminate, for example, against chimpanzees?
Do they not have souls?
Have we been raised to be prejudiced towards, hairy, short individuals with a strange walk and no complicated language?
Why do we assume that the chimp’s physical appearance says something about it? That is soooo superficial of us, judging a book by its cover.

Discrimination, people!!!!
It’s time for the liberation of chimps.
Give them the vote, I say.
We all know they’ll give it to Bush…no?
It's what all creatures of this intellectual level will do.

Amen to that.
And this judgment is unnatural and culturally driven.
I know this and you know this but do all these racist, sexist, fascist imbeciles, know this?
I think not.

I mean, why has nature contrived to fool us into taking visual cues as signs of reality?
A paternalistic hoax.
Senses only trick us.
We must internally feel reality.

I say: think less and emote more.
We need to feel our way to ‘truth’.
If it feels right, it must be right, and if it feels wrong, it must be wrong.

We have much to learn from female intuitive practices.
Why do we scan another’s physicality for clues into their genetic fitness?
Nature is so unfair!!

Just because someone is ugly doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve procreating. It doesn’t mean anything.
We just notice such things because we’ve been brought up in dysfunctional sexist, racist, paternalistic environments.

I got you, sister.
Let us join hands and pray……

Sure the reasons why a group has been dominated is insignificant and a matter of chance.

Why did the Neanderthal become extinct when Homo Sapient's flourished?
Luck, baby!
Luck and the will of the Almighty…who shall remain unnamed.

Women were dominated because of paternalistic chicanery.
Blacks were exploited because of dumb chance.

It’s all plain, baby!
I mean how foolish to believe that more challenging environments would produce higher brain functions and intellectual progress and would eventually lead to innovation and the exploitation of nature and of lesser beings.
This is all part of cultural bias.
Does it feel fair?
No...Therefore it cannot be true.

All we need to prove how equal we all are is to devise a test by which we can all score average, thusly proving how equal we are and how, what differences there are, can all be blamed on nurturing.

Let’s include chimpanzees in this.
We’ll call it: ‘Natural Affirmative Action’.
We need to level the playing filed by lowering our standards.
It feels right.

“Which one is the banana?” – the first question on the SAT’s.

I agree with you.
Let us level the playing field further and stick knives on gazelle’s hooves so that they are not so brutally victimized by lions.
Should they not, at least, have a fighting chance?
Did they choose to enter into a competition with lions? No. So they are innocent victims, as someone else on this forum once taught me.
Is it not sexist that drones are killed and expelled by the female hive when their purpose is fulfilled? Should they not be put into homes and live out their lives in comfort?
Is this not just and democratic?
Nature is so fascistic.

Is that fair?
No.
Does it feel right?
No.
Then how can it be right?

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Where’s the fairness in some creatures being exploited by others and in turn being exploited themselves?
Nature sucks.
Let us correct it.

I am learning so much in this place.
Emoting my way to ‘truth’ just….just….feels right…you know?
I mean, screw ‘truth’ – it doesn’t exist anyways – let us be happy.

I feel God exists. I feel Him, His presence. His existence makes mine happy.
I feel I am special and unique…I just feel it.
I feel selfless and like I’m sacrificing myself for my friends and family. I feel it and it makes me happy.
I feel like I deserve things. I feel equal. I feel valuable.
I feel smart.

I feel this or that to be truth. I feel this or that to be right or wrong.
I'm getting it now.

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Thanks Sciforums.

 

To see the exceptions you need a rule. And vice versa.

Bah!

 

And what “rule” does nature use?

I’m with you.
It all feels yucky…..
Let us all hug and tell each other that we are all worth just as much as anyone else.
Let us be happy.
Pass the bottle, sister. It’s time to blunt the sting of reality.

 

Nature is random. What survives today because of a particular characteristic may become extinct tomorrow because of the very same characteristic. Nature does not care, you see. And if were going to be bound by nature, we would still be running naked through Africa or living in caves. But we aspire to something more. Which is why I'm on a table near a French window with a cup of hot tea and buttered rolls.

When it was all out of our control, we bowed to Nature. Now we are working our way to extinction, granted, but would we have it any other way?

You're an escapist. You want to rationalise everything, to take it apart and see the whole from the parts. That's not possible. The whole is more than the sum of it's parts.

 

Really?

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That doesn’t feel fair.

And, of course, this “more” we all agree on, since we are all equally inclined to feel good.
And, of course, human intervention in natural process has had little effect and few negative repercussions?
I wonder if that table and those buttered rolls were produced by giving your money to someone who exploited others in turn.
If it is so, it would be highly unfair if your pleasures were based on another’s suffering.

Just as long as we feel happy, that’s all that matters, dear.

Don’t think too much. Just feeeeeeeel your way through the world.
Then, when you die, you can say you felt great all through living.

Are you or are you not against hen emancipation?
Does this not feel unfair and sexist?

I admit it!
You, and your feeling kind, are distinctly non-escapist.

You feel the whole and want to know nothing else, besides.

I mean science?
Bah!!!!
All that extrapolation and hypothesis and deconstruction.
Just feel man.

I wonder how much of your table and breakfast you would be enjoying, right now, if it weren’t for idiots delving into the mysteries of life.
Leave it all alone, I say.

We’ll advance using emotion.
We’ll overcome emotionally.

I feel like inventing a toaster….*poof*…toaster.
See, no effort.

Ignorance and stupidity is fun.

 

Which is why we try to balance the scales in our favor, all the time.

Not all the time. Some of us are willing to take less so everyone can get a share; others are willing to kill for an extra share.

Human greed is the biggest source of negative interventions; it is however, also the biggest force for change and hence the drive for progress. We strive because we want.

We all suffer remember? Which is why we strive. If we were all on cloud nine, there'd be no need to struggle.

That is the aim anyhow. A happy man does not want. Can we ever be happy? Only for the short time that we allow ourselves before moving on to the next unfulfilled desire. We're too easily dissatisfied, disgruntled and pleasure (or satisfaction) so transient.

Thats a moronic response. Why do we think? Why not just lie in the hay and chew on grass, contemplating the vastness of the universe? We think because we can, we feel guilty about lying in the hay, we feel compelled to justify our existence, to add to it, to solve the unsolvable, to create, accomplish, with no end in sight. What does it gain us? More. Is it enough? Never.

I eat chicken, and enjoy it. I'd rather have free range than boiler, if that were possible.

I am. I'm a realist. I either solve a problem or dump it. But I also believe that everyone else should have the same right. To make their own choices. And should be given the opportunity to do so.

How does that relate to feeling? If I see a man smashed under a car, who I know is going to die shortly, and he asks for water, do I walk on because, realistically, it's a wasted effort?

Which begins with nothing more than an idea. And ideas are free but hypothesis testing can run into millions. So who decides which idea is worth more? Guess what? It's not science.

You're just jealous because I'm enjoying the tea and rolls, and you're not.

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There's nothing emotional about group effort. It's plain common sense.

And are you going to do it all by yourself? With no input from anyone else?
After all, what would nature give you?

Apparently.

 

That feels very rational.

That is because some of us are God’s children and selfless, altruistic people and others are evil selfish people.

It’s the evil ones that are to blame. Us selfless ones are not greedy at all. We are fair and kind and loving and we never ask too many questions or think or deconstruct.
It feels nice being special and good and selfless, therefore we are.
Thinking is overrated.

And because we suffer we use others to escape it…Or is this deconstructing too much?
Alls I know is that I am not a user but a giver. It feels right, so it must be so.

For example, Q taught me that there are victims and aggressors in the world and that there is fair and unfair competition.
I know nature is full of unfairness so it must be evil.

Dimwitgigantic has taught me that matter is the mantle of the spirit.
This sounds comforting and nice.

In both instances I feel the truth in what they are saying.
Therefore they are correct.

How exploitive and prejudice of you.
A hen deserves equal opportunities with the rooster.
Why should he only crow in the morning, in a macho display of self?
Why should she warm the eggs and take care of the nest?

How sexist and gender biased.
Haven’t you heard?
Feminists and girly-men say: Race and gender are human prejudices

Yes.

And, of course, one must always gain from truth or else how can it be truth?
That feels like it makes sense.

This forum has been productive.
I can now try to become a participating, sexually active member of society and move out of my mommy’s basement.

I feel good. Like when I drink vodka.

 

Now you are getting it *nods approvingly*

No because some of us realise that there are different kinds of achievements and that geeks can be physically weak and artists can be financially incapable of supporting themselves. But we want the geek and the artist to produce so we provide sustenance to the geek and grants to the artist.

Everyone is selfish. We sustain the geek not because he is intrinsically good, but because of what he may potentially produce. If the geek is black, does that make him less deserving? After all, he may potentially produce the means to inhabit another planet.

So if it feels nice, you are doing it for the feeling, that's hardly altruistic.

Let's see some evidence of thinking first.

There is no such thing as a giver.

There is one who weighs the options and decides his needs are uppermost, ther is another who weighs them and decides that another's contribution may ultimately be worth more.

You have not been listening to (Q) properly then; he is that rare thing, an idealist, who believes that all people are basically good. That he does not see the contradiction between his beliefs and his own attitude is not surprising. Hardly anyone ever does.

You have not been listening to him either; he says that applying the correct definition is essential to the understanding of a concept. If the definition is wrong, on what basis are you analysing the concept?

See your judgements are skewing your understanding.

Their conclusions are based on their perceptions and the effect of their perceptions on the assumpions they make about the world or God. It's all subjective really, which is why your perceptions have reinterpreted their conclusions.

Do I have the right to judge what a hen wants? Maybe she is happy. Just because I believe in women's rights does not mean I condemn the women who would rather be homemakers or the men who prefer wives that will. I believe in the availability of choice to do so. Hence the free range chicken.

It's not race or gender that are human prejudices, just as it's not money or education. It's discrimination. When you have two resumes in front of you, do you look at the names and try to guess the ethnic origin? or look at the picture to see the colour of the skin? Or do you just look at the credentials? That is where prejudice comes in.

They are fresh soft warm rolls with salted butter, melted from the warmth.
And I like my tea strong hot and milky.
It's green outside the window, with the grass and trees.
I can even hear some birds chirping. It's a holiday. *sigh*

Even a negative result is a result; after all it eliminates a possibility and brings you one step closer to what may be.

Not yet. The world needs a little more preparation for you.

Have a glass on me. Neat.

Cheers! or Eis Igian!

 

Swivel, I would like to hear your views - what do you think of 'race'?

 

Can't we just say that there is one race? Humankind?

 

Biologically, this is true.

Semantically, we mean ethnic groups who appear physically different.

 

Can we not just say there are no species, living creatures of Earth?

 

You don't think there are mental differences?

Perhaps you should be forced to wear a burka.

 

Bet you would not have the balls to say that face to face.

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