Fed up of communism

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Pi-Sudoku, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    And that is why you think you should go the American way? because America is worse than the UK?

    I don't get the logic.
     
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  3. Pi-Sudoku Slightly extreme Registered Senior Member

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    I'm saying that as there is such a huge difference in taxing and only a tiny difference in the result the system is fucked up
     
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  5. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Yes, but that has nothing to do with communism.
     
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  7. Pi-Sudoku Slightly extreme Registered Senior Member

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    Communism is the sharing of wealth, tax is about sharing of wealth
     
  8. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    communism consists of more than sharing wealth
     
  9. Pi-Sudoku Slightly extreme Registered Senior Member

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    not necessaily, communism doesnt have to involve dictarorship and censorship and the rest of the shit you get. You can have a democratic, communist country (although i doubt there has ever been one or will ever be one)
     
  10. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    WHAT

    the whole point of communism is that you need someone in control to see that the wealth is shared, that means you get dictatorship
     
  11. Pi-Sudoku Slightly extreme Registered Senior Member

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    A democracy still has someone in control
     
  12. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    thats autocracy

    in democracy like the one we have there is not one person with total control
     
  13. Pi-Sudoku Slightly extreme Registered Senior Member

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    Ok well there is still an overseeing body
     
  14. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    but you still dont have one person with total control so whats your point you squirming little git
     
  15. Roman Banned Banned

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    Communism doesn't either. Communism can often have a group of overseers.
     
  16. Pi-Sudoku Slightly extreme Registered Senior Member

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    Stalin or the other powerful communist leaders couldnt do it by themselvs
     
  17. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    they used force to accomplish their goals, remember there are MANY different types of communism
     
  18. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

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    Poor Pi, you just don't understand.

    You see, in a democracy the majority (along with any special interest group) has the right to take what they want by force from whomever they like to do with it as they wish. This is what we call the "public good".

    Never mind that your individual needs may not match this arbitrary expenditure of your funds, and forget about responsibility as to how those funds are handled or whether a different allotment would be more efficient or more effective or whether such a rebalance is fair in any reasoned or ethical sense. Certainly forget the fact that you could probably manage your money far better than any conceivable government committee, including paying for those utilities and services which you actually use as opposed to paying for those that someone else thinks you should have or might need or that someone else might need at your expense.

    Never mind that the redistribution of wealth can only ever be a temporary fix, that it never actually works, rarely affects any lasting change for anyone, and that economic laws mandate that that you cannot simply tweak the economy into the shape you wish without forcing a trade-off somewhere else. Most of all forget that each individual expending the rewards of their own labor as they see fit would be the most democratic system of all. There are other people who know what each of us needs better than we ever could. Call them liberal, call them conservative... each will tell you what is morally correct because they know better than you do.

    ~Raithere

    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken
     
  19. Roman Banned Banned

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    Do you have any data to support such a ridiculous claim?
     
  20. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

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    *All* governments use force to accomplish their goals.

    To resolve the debate here, communism is an economic system not a system of govenment.
    That a society is communist has no intrisic bearing upon the method of governance.

    ~Raithere
     
  21. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah. Economics 101.

    ~Raithere
     
  22. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    i dont remember new labour killing a large proportion of the british population when they took over
     
  23. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

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    I said force, not killing. Try publicly breaking the law. Then come back and talk to me about how they secured your compliance without the use of force.

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    ~Raithere

    "The convoluted wording of legalisms grew up around the necessity to hide from ourselves the violence we intend toward each other. Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. You have done violence to him, consumed his energy. Elaborate euphemisms may conceal your intent to kill, but behind any use of power over another the ultimate assumption remains: "I feed on your energy." - Herbert, Frank
     

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