Or is Nelson arrogant? Here are some quotes: Nelson: "Habitual acts do not pass through the logical mind, so there must be something more" Tyler: "Actually Nelson, things like breathing are controlled by the subconscience mind." Nelson: "I know. This only helps to prove my point that these things are not controlled by the mind." "I am the kindest guy in the world" "I must teach the world" "I am the most loved person in the world" "I will not listen to you, I will express myself" "I will never have problems" "I discovered all of my mistakes in a single 3 day relationship and I have fixed them" - A general belief that he knows everything about love and life - A belief that he knows as much as anyone about relationships after one three day relationship - A refusal to answer questions So am I a total moron and Nelson really is smart....or is Nelson arrogant? You choose
Sorry Nelson You are intelegent and all but you ARE a little arogent NO ONE knows everything You NEVER stop learning and the second you do you are dead so to say you are the best IS arogant and THAT is probably one of the main reasons you can't get a girl chill out sit back and see what someone ELSE can teach YOU
Tyler -- My answer to your poll question is that from what i've observed at least, arrogance is one of the challenges that Nelson is dealing with, and arrogance is also one of the challenges that you are dealing with. When the arrogant way he can be annoys you, what's really happening i think is that you're being annoyed by the reflection of yourself that you're seeing. Because you've sometimes come across as being rather arrogant too, from what i've read of your posts. You may cover it up by saying you were just being sarcastic and such, but it's still there. Arrogance is one of the challenges that i too am dealing with, and some of the others on this board as well... One of the things i've come to learn is that deep down beneath arrogance is the fear of vulnerability, of being judged and found wanting. I've found it useful to keep this in mind. Some relevant quotes: "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." - Hermann Hesse "It is helpful to realize that every time you find yourself in serious judgment against someone else, it is because you have a hidden judgment about yourself that you do not wish to see." - Bartholomew "Pass no judgment, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so will you yourself be judged, and whatever measure you deal out to others will be dealt back to you in return. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye with never a thought for the great plank in your own?" - Thea Alexander And thus is the reasoning i think behind Jesus' saying, "Judge not lest ye be judged."
Lykan, You got a really good reply... But, yes... we reflect other people. I'm mere reflection of people. Everyone is. Have anyone ever realized that I'm only "arrogant" with Tyler...? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I don't know everything... But after so many years completly silent... I just got crazy and now I'm shouting everything that I think and feel to everyone, unconditionally. I have a little fear of being judged... created long time ago, when I was a child... That's why I stopped being funny... and I completly stoped talking too. I remember that sometimes I stayed days without saying a "sentence" with more than two words... like "good day" and "good night"... It has been really hard to open. I came to Canada for this reason too. I found out that by changing the environment I should become naturally more comfortable with people and open up... it worked... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Love, Nelson
Umm, actually that was Jesus of Nazareth. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Nelson "But, yes... we reflect other people. I'm mere reflection of people. Everyone is. Have anyone ever realized that I'm only "arrogant" with Tyler...? " Put down the bottle dear, you've had enough. That's a love... You're arrogant with everyone. Back to Lykan: "Arrogance is one of the challenges that i too am dealing with, and some of the others on this board as well... " Ah, well, it's hard to be humble when you're the perfection of reality and the ultimate intelligence. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Now that you mention it i do seem to recall that particular combination of words being attributed to Jesus somewhere before. Usually it's just "Judge not lest ye be judged." That quote i got though from a book called 2150 A.D. by Thea Alexander. You'd think being born and raised Catholic *shuddering* i would be on the up-and-up with Jesus quotes. Xev said, "Ah, well, it's hard to be humble when you're the perfection of reality and the ultimate intelligence." I salute your humility. May the Norgles spare you when they eventually come into existence and take over the universe. (they really know how to squeeze the nipples!)
I didnt vote. I think... Tyler, your extremely bright - not dumb. And Nelson has never said any wrong to me and has always been super nice to me. Cant we all just get alongPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Take carePlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Arrogant people only annoy me when they are wrong. I have NOT seen anything very wrong ..... yet Arrogance is good. It implies self confidence. I am very arrogant but I have been practicing not to make myself look arrogant for a long time. People skill is very important for a corporate slave like myself. I don't see any point displaying my arrogance. It hurts more than helps. I am attracted to chicks with a little bit of arrogance Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I think that is because low self esteem turns me off.
To me, it implies trying to make others think you're more self-confident than you actually are. And why would you do that unless there's something that you fear occurring, that you want to try and avoid? (being judged and found wanting in one way or another, being somehow rejected, failing, etc) Thus, if a person is actually arrogant due to fear, that doesn't imply self-confidence... by my reasoning at least. Look at Yoda, a good example of a very self-confident yet humble individual who isn't arrogant. And then compare that with the arrogance of Darth Vader / Anakin. From my Third College Edition of Webster's New World Dictionary: arrogant - adj. -- full of or due to unwarranted pride and self-importance; over-bearing; haughty self-confidence - n -- confidence in oneself, one's own abilities, etc. humble - adj. -- having or showing a consciousness of one's defects or shortcomings; not proud; not self-assertive; modest
You're not dumb Tyler you just get passionate about things in the same way that Nelson does (Agreeing to differ... remember?) What you seem to be hoping to do with nelson is dampen his passion. Imagine it the other way round. Try thinking about it this way I don't believe what you believe. I believe that you believe Then move on mate
"and arrogance is also one of the challenges that you are dealing with." Yes! Yes! I am arrogant! I have an ego! I have admitted that time and time again! The difference is, Nelson completely denies the chance that he is arrogant! "One of the things i've come to learn is that deep down beneath arrogance is the fear of vulnerability, of being judged and found wanting. I've found it useful to keep this in mind." Sometimes, yes. For me it's just because I go to a school full of idiots. Literally. "Have anyone ever realized that I'm only "arrogant" with Tyler...?" Some of the quotes of you come from threads where I jump in after you say the things. "Ah, well, it's hard to be humble when you're the perfection of reality and the ultimate intelligence" Touche. "I didnt vote. I think... Tyler, your extremely bright - not dumb. And Nelson has never said any wrong to me and has always been super nice to me." Nelson is not a cruel person. And I have no problem with someone with a small ego. But someone with an ego that can't admitt they have one.....different story altogether. "Look at Yoda, a good example of a very self-confident yet humble individual who isn't arrogant. And then compare that with the arrogance of Darth Vader / Anakin." I try to act more like the Yoda end in public (except around my three main friends who are similar to me). I stay silent most of hte time. I use to have to put my opinion in on every conversation. Now I but out and don't correct people. "You're not dumb Tyler you just get passionate about things in the same way that Nelson does (Agreeing to differ... remember?) What you seem to be hoping to do with nelson is dampen his passion." I do get passion. I don't want to damper his passion. Just bring him back to a little reality, or see if I'm nuts. "I don't believe what you believe. I believe that you believe" Words of wisdom. The point of this whole thread was not to damper Nelson or put him down. Rather, to find out if I'm nuts.
And when you find that you can't agree with someone in an argument, it can help to keep things peaceful if eventually you simply agree to disagree with them on it rather than endlessly going back and forth with each other about who's right. That way you can find a point of agreement with them even while you still remain in disagreement about the issue.
Impossible. I don't believe in ending an arguement when someone is factually wrong. If it's a matter of opinion, fine, I can end it easily. But when they're making up facts or basing theories on groundless dreams....
Agree with Tyler. If they are factually wrong, tell them so. If they are delusional, well, there's no bloody point to debate! But I'll argue with the delusional. It can be fun. See, Lykan, I think you are placing too much emphasis on getting along. Some of the people I like and respect the most here are the people I disagree with the most. Tony1, whom you missed, Mallory Knox, even tho' she was just trolling, Tyler, Cris, The Fish, so on so forth. Conflict is interesting. Life would really suck if we sat around like AOLers posting "I agree!" "Me too!" "What he said!". And Ty, no, you're not nuts. Nelson is arrogant to the point of not realizing that he is. "I am the most humble person" is in itself an arrogant statement. I don't believe in false modesty, but I don't believe in hypocrisy or false arrogance either.
Tyler and Xev, you evidently missed the part where i said, "rather than endlessly going back and forth with each other about who's right." Endlessly going back and forth is silly and futile. Yes, i did mean something that is generally considered more a matter of opinion than provable fact. And you've seen me disagree with people plenty of times on here Xev including you to know that i'm not Mr. Get-Along-Gang. Tyler said, "But when they're making up facts or basing theories on groundless dreams...." And who's to ultimately decide what is and isn't a groundless dream? What seems groundless to one person makes sense to another. What i meant by that post you both responded to is that it's an easy way to bring an end to a heated argument over a matter of opinion that is going nowhere. I didn't mention the opinion part because with some topics, what seems an opinion to one person can seem a provable fact to another -- no matter how much you try and point out to them otherwise. What is "proof" to one person doesn't constitute "proof" to another.
"And who's to ultimately decide what is and isn't a groundless dream? What seems groundless to one person makes sense to another." When you make up facts. When you deny facts.
I don't remember the exact quote, but it's something like, "Modern science is merely the latest religion." -- Unknown
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