Clouds Come from Deep Space Too

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by erich_knight, Oct 11, 2006.

  1. erich_knight Erich J. Knight Registered Senior Member

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    If this Particle Nucleation by cosmic rays proves out, doesn't it throw a giant monkey wrench into the present climate modeling?

    I started several threads, in various science forums, titled " Lightning Comes from Space" citing Joe Dwyer's work at FIT on runaway cascade initiation of lightning from his observations of X-Rays and Y-Rays.

    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?ch...F9683414B7FFE9F

    Dwyer's paper:
    http://www.lightning.ece.ufl.edu/PDF/Gammarays.pdf

    Looks like I'll have to update them with " Clouds Come from Space Too"


    cosmic rays & clouds:

    http://spacecenter.dk/cgi-bin/nyheder-m-m.cgi?id=1159917791|cgifunction=form

    NEWS from spacecenter.dk

    October 4th 2006
    Getting closer to the cosmic connection to climate
    A team at the Danish National Space Center has discovered how cosmic rays from exploding stars can help to make clouds in the atmosphere. The results support the theory that cosmic rays influence Earth’s climate.

    An essential role for remote stars in everyday weather on Earth has been revealed by an experiment at the Danish National Space Center in Copenhagen. It is already well-established that when cosmic rays, which are high-speed atomic particles originating in exploded stars far away in the Milky Way, penetrate Earth’s atmosphere they produce substantial amounts of ions and release free electrons. Now, results from the Danish experiment show that the released electrons significantly promote the formation of building blocks for cloud condensation nuclei on which water vapour condenses to make clouds. Hence, a causal mechanism by which cosmic rays can facilitate the production of clouds in Earth’s atmosphere has been experimentally identified for the first time.

    The Danish team officially announce their discovery on Wednesday in Proceedings of the Royal Society A, published by the Royal Society, the British national academy of science.

    The experiment

    The experiment called SKY (Danish for ‘cloud’) took place in a large reaction chamber which contained a mixture of gases at realistic concentrations to imitate the chemistry of the lower atmosphere. Ultraviolet lamps mimicked the action of the Sun’s rays. During experimental runs, instruments traced the chemical action of the penetrating cosmic rays in the reaction chamber.

    The data revealed that electrons released by cosmic rays act as catalysts, which significantly accelerate the formation of stable, ultra-small clusters of sulphuric acid and water molecules which are building blocks for the cloud condensation nuclei. A vast numbers of such microscopic droplets appeared, floating in the air in the reaction chamber.

    ‘We were amazed by the speed and efficiency with which the electrons do their work of creating the building blocks for the cloud condensation nuclei,’ says team leader Henrik Svensmark, who is Director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research within the Danish National Space Center. ‘This is a completely new result within climate science.’

    A missing link in climate theory

    The experimental results lend strong empirical support to the theory proposed a decade ago by Henrik Svensmark and Eigil Friis-Christensen that cosmic rays influence Earth’s climate through their effect on cloud formation. The original theory rested on data showing a strong correlation between variation in the intensity of cosmic radiation penetrating the atmosphere and the amount of low-altitude clouds. Cloud cover increases when the intensity of cosmic rays grows and decreases when the intensity declines.

    It is known that low-altitude clouds have an overall cooling effect on the Earth’s surface. Hence, variations in cloud cover caused by cosmic rays can change the surface temperature. The existence of such a cosmic connection to Earth’s climate might thus help to explain past and present variations in Earth’s climate.

    Interestingly, during the 20th Century, the Sun’s magnetic field which shields Earth from cosmic rays more than doubled, thereby reducing the average influx of cosmic rays. The resulting reduction in cloudiness, especially of low-altitude clouds, may be a significant factor in the global warming Earth has undergone during the last century. However, until now, there has been no experimental evidence of how the causal mechanism linking cosmic rays and cloud formation may work.

    ‘Many climate scientists have considered the linkages from cosmic rays to clouds to climate as unproven,’ comments Eigil Friis-Christensen, who is now Director of the Danish National Space Center. ‘Some said there was no conceivable way in which cosmic rays could influence cloud cover. The SKY experiment now shows how they do so, and should help to put the cosmic-ray connection firmly onto the agenda of international climate research.’

    Publication data

    Published online in “Proceedings of the Royal Society A”, October 3rd

    Title: ‘Experimental Evidence for the role of Ions in Particle Nucleation under Atmospheric Conditions’.

    Authors: Henrik Svensmark, Jens Olaf Pepke Pedersen, Nigel Marsh, Martin Enghoff and Ulrik Uggerhøj.

    For more information and supporting material: www.spacecenter.dk/media
    Requests for interview and original article: press-requests@spacecenter.dk






    Erich J. Knight
     
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  3. CANGAS Registered Senior Member

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    Your post/thread start is very informative and interesting and I thank you.
     
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    This theory has been known for some time - cosmic radiation knock off electrons from atoms - creating ions and free electrons - which can make steam condensate into clouds.
    Clouds reflect the sunlight - and thereby cools off the earth.

    However solar wind traps the cosmic rays on their way to the earth - thereby creating fewer clouds, which causes global warming..

    More solar wind = more global warming.

    Nice to see that the theory has some evidence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    However it is only a part of the global warming that can be explained from this.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031002055621.htm
     
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  7. erich_knight Erich J. Knight Registered Senior Member

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    More Earth and Space Weather Conections:

    http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...ther_link.html


    First Global Connection Between Earth And Space Weather Found

    09.12.06


    Weather on Earth has a surprising connection to space weather occurring high in the electrically-charged upper atmosphere, known as the ionosphere, according to new results from NASA satellites.

    "This discovery will help improve forecasts of turbulence in the ionosphere, which can disrupt radio transmissions and the reception of signals from the Global Positioning System," said Thomas Immel of the University of California, Berkeley, lead author of a paper on the research published August 11 in Geophysical Research Letters.

    Researchers discovered that tides of air generated by intense thunderstorm activity over South America, Africa and Southeast Asia were altering the structure of the ionosphere.


    Erich
     
  8. erich_knight Erich J. Knight Registered Senior Member

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    this Real Climate discussion has comments from Martin B Enghoff the author of the paper that started this thread.


    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...ys-for-a-spin/



    Also:
    The current Nature has a couple studies, a little off topic concerning sun forcing of climate .......but these measurements do provide an Earth magnetic field history 800,000 years ago and implies stability of geodynamo processes on billion-year timescales.


    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7115/edsumm/e061102-05.html
     
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