Thanks for reading. A few questions for you. What is the importance of Mount Sinai today? When the "Millenial Reign" is described, is that literally 1000 years? Also, what do you think of this website? http://www.foxven.com/s-con1.html Regarding that website, what do you find to be inaccurate? Can anyone clearly explain or direct me to an explanation of the "4000 years (?)" notation on the table at the bottom of the page? Edit: I would like to change the title, as I don't know whether or not it is supposed to be the third arrival.
Hello original. The site was not reader friendly to me so i will do my best to comment on the final list. The 4000 years has a Question mark against it. the righter seems to be stating that there where 4000 years between Adam and Jesus. I do not believe this is correct. The theory of the 7000 year plan of God is well known. This belief states that from the time that God introduced Himself to Abraham till the time of the final Judgement will be 7000 years. The 4000 years was between the day that God made His agreement with Abraham and the Day that Jesus was unexecuted. 2000 years are between the Day that Jesus was executed and the day of the second coming of the Messiah Jesus, 1000 years (The Sabbath millennium) is between the return of Jesus and the Last Judgement. so 4000 + 2000 + 1000 = 7000. Unessecary use of vague words. The Kingdom of the Holy Spirit is not outwardly visable but an inward kingdom of the Body of Christ ( The Body of true Believers.) This kingdom has been growing since the day of Pentecost. This kingdom includes all who believe Jesus both living and dead. I totally disagree. Only upon the rerun of the Messiah Jesus will the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of the Messiah Jesus. The only Kingdom now is the spiritual kingdom. satan could be indeed defeated in heaven and have been cast to earth, But he is still in control of the kingdoms of the world and is free to deceive those who do not embrace the Love of the truth. I don't know where this person is getting the 1970 years from. I can only assume the war they are talking about is the struggle for the souls of all men between the forces of satan and those who give the message of God. I assume they are talking about the great Tribulation. This is the time just before the second coming of the Messiah Jesus. This will be a time when the anti-christ will attempt to deceive the world into thinking that he is the returned Messiah. This will be a time of great persecution of true followers of the Messiah Jesus and we will be executed by beheading. Yes I agree with this.. This is when the kingdoms of this world will come under the direct control of the Messiah Jesus. and it will last for 1000 years. Yes the final satanic revolt will happen at the end of the 1000 years. God will renew the heavens and the earth and God will bring the new Jerusalem down to earth and He will live with us on earth. I do not understand why you are referring to a "third arrival" there are only two comings of the Messiah Jesus. Once when he was Born to the virgin Mary and the second when he will come in glory to destroy the army of the beast and establish His Kingdom on earth. Please expand on what your thinking is on this so we can get into it more deeply. All Praise The Ancient Of Days
We are still in the time before the second coming of the Messiah Jesus. It is believed by some that we have entered the times of troubles just before the anti-christ comes on the other world scene. When the anti-Christ comes He will establish order by force and declare himself to be God on earth. he will seek to kill all people who do not acknowledge him as God all who do acknowledge him will be allowed to live and prosper in this world. He will bring together a great army (200 million) to destroy Israel. This army will be destroyed on the plains of meggedo (Armaggedon) by the coming of the Messiah Jesus. The return of Jesus will bring about the first resurrection of the saints. And they will rule with Him on earth for 1000 years. At the end of the 1000 years satan will once again deceive the people on earth and cause another great army to come and attack Jerusalem. this army will also be destroyed. Then the final resurrection will happen and the final Judgement. All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Yes differently to the scriptures. Secret comings of Jesus? Matthew 24 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Yes they will see Him coming. no one will miss out on the Return of Jesus. Acts 1 9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” No secret retun at all. Jesus will retun in the same manner He left, He will come down as He went up. He went up in His body and He will retun in His body. Revelation 1 7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Yes every eye will see Him. No one will be in a "clouded daze". Revelation 6 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” They will all know exactly who it is and exactly what is in store for them. No one will miss the return of the Messiah Jesus. All Praise The Ancient Of Days
well then so is this site, and the 900 threads telling us waa fake. dont go against the grain here, bang the drum like little monkeys.
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According to the scriptures, Jesus was supposed to return within the lifetime of at least some of His contemporaries. He was supposed to be “right at the door” two thousand years ago. But He did not return “soon” as He foretold, so He must be regarded as a false prophet. Every single writer in the New Testament thought that His return was immanent, within his own lifetime, as well. Yet He has not returned now even two thousand years hence. They were all of them deceived and false witnesses. And anyone who thinks and teaches others that He will return now unknowingly declares these very scriptures to be false, which they are. And even they have become a false witness as well. The Bible has very clear directives for how to treat a false witness or a false prophet!
Matthew 24 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. The Coming of the Son of Man 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. No secret coming. But all the tribes will see and mourn. You might mean well but you have been deceived and are now taking part in deception. One of many that have been attempted upon the Body of Christ. But the Body of Christ is protected from deception by the power of the Holy Spirit. And never again weave the Name of The Ancient of Days into your false allegation against me. I know Jesus is here and with us in Spirit. All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Adstar, you know very well that I do not agree with you on many things, but I do at least agree with your interpretation of this issue. I was thinking of this same verse as I read TheVisitors post. I have my own reasons for believing that the Bible is untrustworthy, but if I did believe in it, yours is the view I would hold on this topic. I hope you have a Merry Christmas, Adstar!
It's a fairly competent outline-format implementation. My praise ends there. It's pretty vague (okay it's basically incoherent). There is insufficient data to support a critical mass of inferences about human nature. It requires that one subscribe to it's doctrines (assumes that within the argument). Is it an argument? Moreover it tells you what it will tell you, and then it proceeds not to tell you. Finally it refers to how horrible Y2K was expected to be. The information is severely outdated. What is the End of Times? I don't think even the bible (like usual) has anything specific to offer. An end of everything, the galaxy, or the solar system? That may very well happen, but not for some billions of years. An end of humanity? That sounds more plausable considering our path of self destruction, but the mass extinction of humans hardly leads to the rules of nature breaking down and everyone's decomposed remains reanimating. Does that even sound like a good idea? Religious proclamations of Armageddon should be a quaint artifact of human development. We probably have the ability to dismiss such obviously flawed ideas, but I have never doubted the human capacity to overcome the greatest barriers to ignorance. original you ought not to try to actively seek out stupidity. It will find you with its own energy. Now if you want the truth: pretty much everything in that website is a poorly conceived fraud upon the imagination. And it would be only a poor imagination in which the fraud could successfully take hold.
Unfortunately I am pushed for time so cannot respond as fully as I would like , but I would just like to say quickly that on interpretation of the bible, I would tend to agree with the most part of what you saying. (particularly what I highlight above).
The more you speak the more you reveal yourself. All praise "The Ancient Of Days" is not a prayer. It is a call out to the world to Praise The Ancient Of Days. I am not even praising The Ancient Of Days when i say this, I am calling out to others to praise the Ancient Of Days. So no public Prayer and No Praise. I believe in private prayer. I do not pray in public. As My Messiah Said. Matthew 6 5 “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. So only those who are true followers will see His return??? Revelation 1 7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Why are they mourning? A strange reaction from people who are true followers and are seeing the fulfilment of Gods will. These people are Not true followers and they are seeing his return. And Again: Revelation 6 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” So the true followers where all hiding in the mountains with great fear and trembling when they saw the Messiah's return? The true followers who saw your imagined return feared the wrath of the Lamb?? No visitor your deceived and a false accuser of the brethren. Hitlers SS elites had the same assurance, So did the ones that mocked Jesus on the cross. You have made to many mistakes to be a true messenger of God. Oh you talk the talk. I am impressed by your use of christianese but you do not fool me. SetAlpha6 is an apologist "teacher" for the churches now is she?????????????? WRONG. SetAlpha6 is an agnostic that has rejected the Word of God. I am "denominational" am i ??????????? WRONG I have not been in a church for years. I was born into a catholic family so i had no choice but to go into that church in my younger years, But i renounced that church ASAP After I was convicted by the Word of God that is was a false church. I have not joined any church since. The God of Abraham knows who the wolves in sheep’s clothing are in here. You think you are lead by the Holy Spirit in discernment visitor, but you have made so many blatant errors and clearly false allegations that you reveal yourself for what you are. The sooner you lose your pride and seek His will the sooner your will cease to be an impediment to His will. And a thorn in the side of those who are really are His ambassadors of grace. All Praise The Ancient Of Days. <=== Not praising, Not a Prayer, but a call.
I doubt you will be moved visitor. But for the sake of others who might be deceved by you i will reply. The apostles asked Jesus: Matthew 24 3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Jesus did not correct them and say He would be ariving on multiple ocasions. But He went on to give then signs of His "coming" not comings. And gave stern warning to His disiples (and to us whom believe Him to this day) not to believe anyone who declares The Christ returned or claims to be the returned Messiah before the signs where fulfilled. Matthew 24 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Jesus had the book opened in His hand??? in the vision of John? In the book of Revealtion? Let people read for themselves who had the littel book and the effect that little book had. Revelation 10 8 Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, “Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.” 9 So I went to the angel and said to him, “Give me the little book.” And he said to me, “Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth.” 10 Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. An angel had the little book not Jesus. Or do you come from a mormon like cult that believes that Jesus is an angel? that satan is a angelic brother of satan? What happened to the little book? John ate it and it was sweet in his mouth but became bitter in his stomach.. So your trying to say that Jesus is an angel who came over 40 years ago to deliver the little book to His followers? A book that is sweet to the mouth but becomes bitter in the stomach? Maybe an "angel"?? did come to you with a little book but will you find it bitter when you realise it was all a great deception? Will it be too late when you do? There are many false comings before the Anti-christ does his Messiah impersonation act and you have already been decieved by one of them. Your trying hard to justify yourself. How many prophets of God spent their time telling others that they where genuine? No they just gave what they where told to give and moved on. Do i think your lying? probably not. Don't you know the best deciever is the one who trully believes in deception he is taking part in. i have little doubt that muhammed believed in the visions he had when an "angel"? visited him. Hey maybe it was the same "angel" who visited you? Whatever your source it is aparent that you have been totaly decieved. You again and again make fundamental errors. Both in Judgement toward people and in your faulty interpretation of scriptures. How blind can someone be that they cannot read scriptures and see what it plainly states but insted will vainly hold on to the false visions that have deluded them? This world never ceases to amaze me. All Praise The Ancient Of Days
I wonder if Adstar and Visitor are trying to convince each other there is one god with one clear message for all?
