If islam is the religion of peace

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  1. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    The worst polluters in the world are Russia, China, and India, hardly bastions of Christianity.
     
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    Russia is the home of the Eastern Orthodox Church. And if god created everyone, and such and such, those are HIS people, so they are still HIS problem.
     
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  7. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree with that - it's a meme structure I've never seen in any of my religious acquaintances. And I've known many atheists who also care little or nothing for the environment.
     
  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I'd like to mention this: there seems to be a continual perception that "Christianity et al" are every bit as bad as islam, scripturally. While I'm a secularist, I still wouldn't object to the "violent passages", such as they are, from being removed from the Bible. Why not? Defang it. None of those citations are in any way canonical.

    And yet, it isn't any of that which Western civilization is about - oppression, or sublimation. Those things do occur, but they are not part of that thing called "Western Civilization". Rather, the core of Westernism is the individual entity with integral civil rights. Islamism, by contrast, is the "surrender" or, more literally, "submission" of individual value to a mythical deity. Sharia is exemplary of this perspective, and therein the difference.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    "Western Civilization" is based on colonialism, slavery and exploitation of third world resources through propagation of debt and military conflict to support a culture of consumerism and the wealth of multinational corporations.
     
  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Is that what lead you here in the first place?
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No that was my wanderlust. Note "based on", which means that without those artificial support systems, it may very well collapse.
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    This is an opinion; though I don't doubt the consumerism and corporationalism is true. Yet there is no legal obligation to such.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think you'll find the laws governing free trade with the third world are very clear. And that corporations are supported by laws in the Western countries (or by policies that support dictator regimes that let them do as they please).

    http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRe...hts.asp#EconomicPoweralsowieldsPoliticalPower

    http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Corporations/Labor.asp#MovingOn

    http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/Causes.asp
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, it was your quest to find the purpose of your life in the land of slavery and exploitation? You didn't need a passport to find that.
     
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  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Yes but that isn't enshined as the soul of Western culture.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You must live on a deserted island. Walmart, anyone? Macdonalds?
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    ...was that what Franklin and Hancock proposed? Descartes? King John of England (although, to be frank, Magna Carta was meant for the peers)?

    I live in a deserted WalMart surrounded by zombies.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    They just keep changing the labels.

    The monarchy was no less exploitative than the corporations are.

    We have some experience of British colonialism.
     
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    How much are the zombies going for?
     
  21. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: Now, I must disagree with you samcdkey.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Look up the industrial revolution and what led to its rapid advancement.

    Then follow it all the way till today, paying attention to what drove the economic and social changes, and still do.
     
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    "There is no peace saith the Lord unto the wicked." Isaiah 48:22

    This applies to all wicked, no matter what your religious alignment(s) may be - Atheist, Islam, Judaism, Christianity...and even Buddhism. It was earlier indicated that Buddhist do not start wars. But they still have no peace. Have you ever known a Buddhist? I have, one of which is in my family. This person has inner turmoil in ways that I have never seen. This person has...an inner war. And I have observed this in another Buddhist as well. All who are wicked have not peace. And all are wicked...
     
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