Communism...the way ahead?

...I even saw one anti-Communist website that said Communism wants to make everybody slaves

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ha ha ha ha, i havnt laughed so hard all day.

 

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http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/anticom/first.htm

They even have a "site for the kiddies"

roflmao.

 

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ah ha ha ha.

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, the next thing you know they are international communist conpiracy footsoldiers: they make it sound like something out of The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. You made this web site did'nt you Trans-Global?

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this is slander. completely wrong.

i dont understand this is taken out of context and could mean anything. notice they dont close the quotes meaning its not an actual quote.

lol.

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looks just like me........only kidding. lol.

commie rants

this is so doctored by the site owners. its so funny.

 

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As if communists never made and spread propaganda. If anything, that website is more fact than propaganda.

 

ha ha ha. that site is utter crap.
how on earth does: if an international communist talking to someone turn them into a communist? its all crap. yeh, propaganda has been used by communist countries but also capitalist countries so they are about even, but as for that web site: i havent laughed so hard in all my life at the piss that some people can come up with and by the looks of things they believe it too.

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I find it surprising that you can say this. Generally propagandists don't believe to be true what they try to trick people into believing.

However, the man who made this site seems to actually not be trying to make propaganda, but rather launching an honest campaign against Communism. lol.

 

well at first i was like, i shouldnt post it will only bump this thread back up but im going to anyways.

capt crunch, get serious if you want to look for alternativse to capitalism thats great, but communism is clearly not going to work, who the fuck wants to repeat THAT history, not me...i mean my god have u studied the stalin camps? or any of russian history, its straight frightening.

while i do quiet enjoy reading marx and lenins' books, its just as a brain teaser, it makes me THINK about alternitves, it DEF does not present a viable one (again proven through history).

now do us all a favor and look up real alternatives, or invent one, that would be much more entertaining (perhaps read up on particapatory economics or even anarchy...that might actually be an interesting discussion).

seriously read up on your history, maybe youll get the idea that maybe, JUST maybe communism isnt such a great idea after all.

oh and as far as propaganda goes, they are right, if anyone spreads and knows how to use propaganda its communists. in russia they were only allowed to make art that informed the people on how great communism is/was, haha.

 

Capitalism is the best economic system to date and possibly till the end of time. As many noted previously, it fits perfectly to human nature. Most jobs that must be done are not fun, and to be done well the workers must have a carrot dangling in front of them. Money and, generally, subsistence is the carrot.

However, the idea that hardest work reaps the largest reward is absolute crock. The hardest-working people in the States are the so-called "working poor". They commonly slave away 12 hours a day in exhausting, both physically and psychologically, working conditions. Even after all that they barely get enough to get by -- certainly not accumulating any wealth. And their children, going to slum schools and living in slum conditions, hardly get a better chance. In an ideal system, wealth would be merit-based. Such a system can only be obtained by adjusting and evolving capitalism (e.g. some of the "corrections" people had previously mentioned.) Generally, such corrections (when done right) bring nations closer to socialism. Note: socialism, not communism, not totalitarianism, not wellfare state.

The idea of the "lazy bums" is absolutely the biggest crock of shit in existence.

Economically speaking, the U.S. outran the rest of the world because of its low taxes and low barriers to starting up new business. However, success comes at a price. Widespread and growing poverty (read: hopelessness) is just part of that price. Americans are the most stressed out and overworked people in the world among developed nations. Education sucks. Health care is pathetic. Public transportation...what public transportation? We came up and are living on borrowed money and borrowed brainpower. As America struggles to maintain its standard of living, people get stretched out more and more. Economically, culturally, and ideologically we peaked in the 1970's and have been going downhill ever since. Meanwhile, foreign intellectuals have began living U.S. in greater numbers than coming in -- reverse brain drain.

 

Most work stressed of developed nations? You just made my penis fall off! (seriously)

Perhaps you should take a look at Japan, where businessmen work waaaaay too many hours each day and at least one jumps onto subway tracks to their death daily.

Or any other developed country.

In a Communist state, Enron couldn't've happened.

Overdoze AND Lotuseatsvipers both seem to be idiots in that they don't realise that COMMUNISM and DEMOCRACY aren't opposites. DEMOCRACY and FASCISM are opposites, while COMMUNISM and CAPITALISM are opposites. You can have Fascism and Capitalism, or Communism and Democracy, or Democracy and Capitalism, or Communism and Fascism.

Many people seem to think that COMMUNISM = FASCISM, however it doesn't and that only happened in some places: take a look at Belarus, for example. Or a kibbutz.

If one reads Animal Farm, you can see what goes wrong with Communism if you aren't careful.

 

Point conceded, I neglected Japan. As for "all other developed countries", you must be joking. I hope you are.

When did I ever state that communism and democracy are opposites? I was commenting on the economic system. However, bringing equalizers into capitalism essentially brings socialism. That's what socialism is all about: equalizers.

The idea, however, should be not to equalize wealth so much as to equalize opportunity. That, and make merit and wealth a little more commensurate.

p.s.

As for Enron: unregulated Capitalism at its best. Yeay for free markets!

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wtf are you talking about? I know exactly what communism and capitalism are, No where did i refer to them as being somehow opposite. all i said was communism was NOT viable, read my fucking post before you start calling me an idiot for something i didnt even say.

judgin by what you just said, your the one who doesnt have a fucking clue. calling someone an idiot to cover up an inability to have reply's with substance is something you should leave behind at your highschools doors.

 

Originally posted by lotuseatsvipers

wtf are you talking about? I know exactly what communism and capitalism are, No where did i refer to them as being somehow opposite. all i said was communism was NOT viable, read my fucking post before you start calling me an idiot for something i didnt even say.

rotflmao.

I never said you said they were opposite. Hahaha! I said that you don't see them as opposite, while they really are. Generally, I think that you see Communism and Democracy as opposites, which is about the most incorrect you can be. (see: post-Soviet Belarus)

judgin by what you just said, your the one who doesnt have a fucking clue. calling someone an idiot to cover up an inability to have reply's with substance is something you should leave behind at your highschools doors.

Well, let's see here... Who misspells a lot more words than do I? Who never capitalises anything except for emphasis and perhaps the beginning of an independent clause following a comma every so often? Who has grammar mistakes pouring out their ears? Who's gone to highschool? (take note: I haven't gone to highschool, yet somehow my grammar is better than yours, as is my ability to capitalise properly. And I'm not a highschool dropout, I simply haven't reached the proper age yet. I do plan on going to highschool for at least a year or two.)

 

Maybe this explains my confusion.

read it and try to tell me thAt MakEs SenSe. Do YOu lIke My capAtalizing now?

If your going to attack grammar and spelling, don't. go back over what you wrote and you will find plenty of errors. It's a damn message board not a spelling contest, from now on I'll proof read everything for your sake.

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gb-gil dont bother replying to my previous post, I already realize how much of an idiot I've been....arguing with a (12? 13? year old). I'm an idiot for wasting my (and your) time, sorry.

good day

 

Erm... I actually said that DEMOCRACY and COMMUNISM aren't opposites, but rather CAPITALISM and COMMUNISM are. So, in effect, you proved my point. Congrats.

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As for capitalisation-- I simply capitalised there for emphasis, and I always capitalise the first letter of each sentence, as well as the 1st person singular subject pronoun, proper names, days of the week, and whatever else is considered nessecary to capitalise. Now, let's see how many mistakes you made here:

First of all, that first sentence isn't capitalised. I won't count your rogue capitalisation in the middle of that since you meant for it to be that way. You spelled capital wrong. "capatal"

Then you use the wrong /jo:r/; it should be "if you're" and not "if your".

Then you forget to capitalise again. In your next sentence, you say "it's a damn board not a", while it should be "it's a damn board but not a", "it's a damn board and not a", or "it's a damn board, not a", but there's something else wrong there: damn should be damned. However, I'll forgive you here, as this mistake is made very often by people hundreds of times as intelligent as you. (this is like saying "no fuck way" instead of "no fucking way")

Also, you use a comma to separate what should be to separate sentences, or at least have the word "and" between them.


gb-gil dont bother replying to my previous post, I already realize how much of an idiot I've been....arguing with a (12? 13? year old). I'm an idiot for wasting my (and your) time, sorry.

good day

Another few mistakes. However, I'll ignore these.

You haven't wasted your time. Or mine. I find it quite insulting that you discriminate against me as someone with whom to carry on a debate because of my age. If you were to actually have talked to others my age, you'd notice that your debates with them were filled with much less substance on their part. I've been tested and it's been found that I have mental capacities better than the average 18 year old. I find it interesting that while more esteemed members of Sciforums.com respect my opinion as that of an ageless educated intellectual, you disrespect my opinions as those of a child.

If you would've noticed, I've even posted on topics centered on sex, and people don't seem to notice. Although I must admit I certainly don't have nearly as much sexual experience as most members of Sciforums (I haven't gotten to 1st base as of yet), I was still able to reply competently on a purely intellectual level. While I may not have experienced sex, I was still able to debate with them as I knew what they were talking about. (if I recall correctly, the topic was multiple orgasms. it might've been something else.)

If you wish to pursue my age with me, I highly suggest that you check all your spelling and grammar before submitting responces to my posts, as it makes you look very stupid when I, an inferior (according to you) 12 year old male, spell correctly most of the time and have almost all correct grammar, but you, an edcuated (or not, but I don't know) adult, make countless errors in both said realms.

Also, I believe my opinions are a valuable contribution to Sciforums.com as I tend to be farther left than almost every member here and more liberal than about 9/10ths of the membership. My postitions on issues such as the Middle East conflict, Cthulhu cultism (Cthulhu loathes me!), historical linguistics (it came up once, this is my specialty!), the existance of a God, 1st amendment rights, American superiority (amazingly, many members argued for this), and have been a wonderful resource for expertise in areas regarding social sciences, comparative theology, international politics, linguistics, Communism, and Cthulhuism. (my qualifications for Cthulhuism is that I am the leader and webmaster of IYSCC)

I also find it interesting that you didn't even suspect that I was very young until I told you myself.

You've just proven yourself a complete moron. Good day, sir.

 

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ha ha

man you have serious issues.

btw, capitaliZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZation. just sharing (see where as mine were typos, you repeatedly made the same mistake, do i give a damn, hell no, just chill the fuck out, its not a big damn deal)

edit: one small last detail, one day you'll learn that it is not the grammar and punctuation of a writer that makes him or her powerful with words. In fact it has nothing to do with that unless the grammar is so bad it detracts from what you are trying to read.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee, now chill PLEASE (please please please if you want to continue this stupid ass argument, private message me....I'll be glad to point out every single damn error you make in your messages if you really want me to

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maybe to end this shit I'll say something about communism....hopefully someone else will reply. Oh I got it, read Journey Into the Whilrwind, an absolutely amazing read. It details the life of a woman as she goes through the Stalin camps for about 12 years or so. While I definitely recognize that the communism under Stalin (and Lenin et al) is not exactly what Marx had envisioned, it does say to me that communism could never work. One last thing, the New ecomonic policy under Lenin was effectively capitalism, what that says to me is that when the going gets tough, people inherently turn towards capitalism. (bring up the two 5 year plans under stalin and there might be an argument against this).

 

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ha ha

man you have serious issues.

Do I? Or am I the one here that likes to make fun of people for their differences?

btw, capitaliZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZation. just sharing (see where as mine were typos, you repeatedly made the same mistake, do i give a damn, hell no, just chill the fuck out, its not a big damn deal)

No, that isn't a typo. If you're American, it certainly is. However, if you're Australian, British, Irish, Canadian, or any other English-speaking country for the most part, even your MS Word will tell you it's incorrect with a zed. I assume you'd like to tell me "neighbourhood" is incorrect as well? Some people don't know jack about the world outside their country...

edit: one small last detail, one day you'll learn that it is not the grammar and punctuation of a writer that makes him or her powerful with words. In fact it has nothing to do with that unless the grammar is so bad it detracts from what you are trying to read.

I've already learned that. However, when somebody's writing already sucks, I tend not to pick on them for that but rather their spelling and grammar, as it's much easier for everybody to understand each other if they all follow the same standards of spelling and grammar.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee, now chill PLEASE (please please please if you want to continue this stupid ass argument, private message me....I'll be glad to point out every single damn error you make in your messages if you really want me to

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I don't make an error. You still seem to think that Communism = Fascism (since you don't already know, Fascism means dictatorship)

maybe to end this shit I'll say something about communism....hopefully someone else will reply. Oh I got it, read Journey Into the Whilrwind, an absolutely amazing read. It details the life of a woman as she goes through the Stalin camps for about 12 years or so. While I definitely recognize that the communism under Stalin (and Lenin et al) is not exactly what Marx had envisioned, it does say to me that communism could never work. One last thing, the New ecomonic policy under Lenin was effectively capitalism, what that says to me is that when the going gets tough, people inherently turn towards capitalism. (bring up the two 5 year plans under stalin and there might be an argument against this).

I've read hordes of books about people who suffered under Communo-fascism (which isn't really Communism, but it sort of is) and I feel sorry for them and I hope that Communo-fascism never happens again. I promote Communo-democracy.

Some idiots just can't see that.

 

Wow, you know a thread is getting too detailed when it breaks down into an argument about grammar.

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BTW, Global, fascism does not necessarily mean a dictatorship, it's just a very very common by-product. It was actually founded on the basis of being anti-communist, of all things. The reason fascism *almost always* means dictatorship is that a fascist government depends on strong loyalty to a national government, i.e. patriotism run amok. Hence, a dictator is often used as a figurehead. But in its definition a fascism does neccesitate a dictator any more than a communism does.

 

hahaha
This was too horribly ironic to pass up. You mean, I didn't make an error? Or perhaps I don't make errors? Next time you proclaim urself free from human error, you might want to use the grammar check buttom.

You are a waste of time, you are now on my ignore list. Maybe someone else on your level (of supreme

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intelligence) will give a shit what you say.

grow up and call someone else in 10 years.

ps. sorry about the capitalization spelling thingy, I should have picked out one of your million other errors I dont give a damn about instead, mea culpa.

"YOUR ARGUMENT IS SOO STUPID BECAUSE YOU DIDNT SPELL SOMETHING RIGHT, ROFLMAO!!!!!! " man, you are gonna make a great politician when you grow up, attacking the person rather than the issue. good stuff.