The Podkletnov Effect

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by xaxaro, Jul 11, 2002.

  1. Crisp Gone 4ever Registered Senior Member

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    Boeing joins the quest

    It seems that Boeing is also investigating Podkletnov's experiment:

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    Researchers at the world's largest aircraft maker, Boeing, are using the work of a controversial Russian scientist to try to create a device that will defy gravity.
    The company is examining an experiment by Yevgeny Podkletnov, who claims to have developed a device which can shield objects from the Earth's pull.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2157975.stm
     
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  3. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    Very interesting Crisp. Any predictions on where this might lead?
     
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  5. JimmyJames Master Jedi Registered Senior Member

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    If you don't mind... explain this "disc" idea in less... um, complex ways. For us (me) not so gifted people. Thanks.
     
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  7. Crisp Gone 4ever Registered Senior Member

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    Hi Adam,

    I personally think it will lead nowhere, since I completely fail to see how gravity and electromagnetic forces can compensate eachother. The best you could do is perhaps use the earth's magnetic field to cancel gravity a little bit, but I fail to see how this can help an object accelerate enough to compensate gravity.

    Ofcourse, it would be nice to see that it actually works (this would open some interesting scientific perspectives) but I wouldn't bet my money on it.

    Bye!

    Crisp
     
  8. Zarkov Banned Banned

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    If you read Spin Gravity... Ether of Magnetism, the Podkletnov effect can be understood, since spin gravity dipolar spiral waves could be countered by an opposite wave. It is important to note the effect produced is phased by the high voltage, a reverse polarity will not show the effect.

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  9. swise Registered Member

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    "podkletnov effect" is not anti-gravity

    I recently read of the "podkletnov effect" which is claimed to be anti gravity. By report the proponent of the speculation saw smoke from the pipe of a "co-speculator" mysteriously rise up to the ceiling when blown over a rapidly spinning magnetically suspended cryogenically cooled disc. The conclusion they made is that it must be antigravity in action. Not! I wonder what they were smoking that day.

    If such things were so , Dorothy and her dog Toto would have really ended up in deep space, rather than Oz. Every day we see the weather report talk about barometric pressure variations. If we are paying attention we can see the magical effect of vortex flow in the real world when a dust devil sends litter up to the sky. It doesn't require a superconducting disc to become manifest. A tornado doesn't generate antigravity either. Differential flow velocity/air pressure temporarily lifts millions of things up in the air (birds , bees , and people in airplanes).

    No wonder Boeing is going broke. Shame on Max Plank institute too.I think that I created some cold fusion in my freezer. Will they give ME money too?
     
  10. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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  11. msFiorentina Registered Member

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    anti gravity IS possible..... maybe not Podkletnov' s way, its most post say that things are not possible as if we have reached the maximum in science, there is more than meets the eye! also to properties!
     
  12. andrew harris Registered Member

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    Spining disk speed

    I just spent a happy 10 mins working out how fast a 100cm circumferance disk would have to spin to match the spinning velocity of the earth. If the small disk had the same mass as the earth could we assume that it would also have the same gravitational pull, or would a stationary non spinning earth still have the same gravitational pull?
     
  13. andrew harris Registered Member

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    gravity and inertia

    I guess what I am getting at is the relationship between Gravity and Inertia. We all asume that Inertia is a result (sister or equal and opposite to) of opposition to gravity, what if it where the other way around and Inertia was the predominant force against matter and gravity was a result of its distortion. Inertia wants to stop a body in motion, the way it does this is by slapping a load of gravity round it.
     
  14. ryans Come to see me about a dog hey Registered Senior Member

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    I don't. inertia can exist without gravity. instead of gravity, do you mean force in general?

    Inertia is a property of a body, not something acting on a body.
     
  15. andrew harris Registered Member

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    Inertia

    How can inertia exist outside of Gravity?
     
  16. ryans Come to see me about a dog hey Registered Senior Member

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    Change in inertia do to interaction with an electric or magnetic field, for a charged body. How easily can i push something(accelerate)
     
  17. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe the disc should be made of depleted uranium , this should have both the tensile strength to survive the experiment and the density to possibly create some ethervortex or something....

    Also it would be interesting to use radioactive dopants in the disk to see what happens to decay-times, foton/particle emissions etc if you spin the disc really fast.

    Just a thaught, could it be that individual particles, due to the fast spin of the disk occupie the location of a neighbouring particle , BEFORE the waveform has fully collapsed to reveal the new position of that other particle?, so that the quantumstates become entangled (this would need very very fast rotation) ? Some sorta solid Bose-Einstein condensate. I would bet that cooling the disk and/or use a disk of superconducting material (additional Meissner effect) would further improve synchronisation of the quantum states...???
     
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  18. andrew harris Registered Member

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    The spins the thing

    Why arent we all thrown from the Earths surface by cenrtifugal force? Why does a whirlpool or whirlwind capture objects? I am no scientist, but I am sure of one thing, when Gravity is eventually understood and made maleable it will be harnesed and controlled by a mechanism simpler than you would believe.
     
  19. ryans Come to see me about a dog hey Registered Senior Member

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    Because gravity is "stronger" than this centrifugal force. It has however resulted in the earth being ellipsoid in shape.

    Whirlwinds are a result of the coriolis force fealt by atoms in the atmosphere "spilling" down from a high pressure region to a low pressure region. They "suck" up objects because of the pressure difference between the bottom of the object and the top of the object. A bit like an airplane wing.
     

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