Random thoughts... first thing that pops in your mind

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nothing in the universe is random, except if you get into quantum physics, wich is infact a theory that is not proven to be 100% true, but to be true random it would have tohave no cause, and as we know the universe acts on cause and effect. so for a random event to ever happen it would not exist because random things dont happen, because everything is a reaction from an action taking place in the universe.


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Ooooh, shiny cd. I wonder what's on it.

 

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And the links from causes to effects is so convoluted that the root cause (and amount of influence from any given cause) is incalculable - random.

 

my brain hurts:yawn:

 

but the effects from given causes are not actualy random though are they, im sure we can calculate if we witness every variable in a situation from root cause to all effects concerned,


peace.

 

That's a very big "if".
So big, in fact, as to make it impossible for all practical purposes.

Tell me, what color socks was my mother's father wearing on the day he died?

 

That's the point.
It has been shown mathematically that it is physically impossible to to calculate all effects, unless what is being considered is trivial, so randomness (to all intents and purposes) does exist.

 

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brown socks with sandals is not a good look.

peace.

 

yes but then we are only using the word "random" because we did not witness all of the prior events. but it was not random in actual reality was it, its only random to us because we fail to explain it because lack of observation,


but the events did happen even though we did not witness them, the tree still made a sound when it fell, even though we didnt hear it,


peace,

 

It doesn't matter whether we witnessed them or not: past a certain number of steps any process becomes incalculable.

What's the difference between "so complex as to make calculation worthless at prediction" and "random"?

 

the difference is that the lack of us bieng able to calculate something doesent imply that the event was random. because a random event means something happened without a cause. we cant predict beyond a certain point.

a good example of this would be prior to the first moments of the big bang. but to say that what happened before that is random is not proven correct. because we just cant be sure due to lack of evidence, but that in no way means that non random events happened before that, it just means we dont know anything,


if we cant calculate something it means that we just do not have the knowledge at our disposal to ever come up with data for it, it doesent mean that we have to conclude it was a random event. just that we dont know shit about it. ofcourse everything has to have a cause or it cant happen physicaly, and ofcourse this leads to gaps in science and theory that we cannot explain. but we are human and wont ever be able to explain everything. we are not gods,


and i would like to comment on how we have turned a cesspool thread into something with substance, we should be ashamed,


peace.

 

It's not just a metter of us not currently having the ability to calculate it, it is a matter of having to be omnipotent to be able to do so - which, as far as anyone is aware, is impossible for anyone.
If it is impossible to calculate - it is effectively the same as random.
Pragmatically, there is no difference.

 

Bruha!

 

Nope, random means "unpredictable" or "lacking any definite plan or order or purpose".
If it's incalculable then it's unpredictable and lacking in order.

If we don't know and we can't find out then it's random.
It's incalculable.
It's not predictable.

No, if it's incalculable it means we CANNOT calculate it. Ever. Not that we can't at the moment.

So if we can't explain it and we can't predict it, it's random.
Any speculation as to what will happen next is worthless.

Damn.
I'm going for another coffee, then we'll get back to nonsense.

 

so in response to both raven and oli combined i will answer.


so basicaly i just didnt know the actual meaning of random? i understood everything you both said. but i do have 1 thing to say.

we are basicaly talking chaos theory and butterfly effect here arent we.

peace.