Random thoughts... first thing that pops in your mind

Sort of, chaotic systems follow a pattern, although you cannot tell where in that pattern the next occurrence will be.
They have a fixed phase space, which no result will fall outside of.

 

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so in a way there is still order to this?

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To chaos?
Yes, it's not truly random, only within the confines of its own phase space.
But there are random things.
Nuclear decay for one thing (a statistical process can give estimates on an overall period, but cannot say exactly when or where from it will will occur).
Gas laws are statistical, the weather isn't even close to that over longer than three days..

 

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but you agree all things happen becayse something else made them happen right?


peace.

 

I do.
Those who believe in the farcical Copenhagen Interpretation, and that which stemmed from it, do not.

 

But even if there IS a cause, the actual result can be random:
a particle coming out may come out in any direction at any time.
And, IIRC, Hawking's first exposition on naked singularities said that it could be possible (in Jerry Pournelle/ Larry Niven's words) for a singularity to eject a leather-bound set of the complete works of Shakespeare, a chimp or a teapot:
physics and science break down completely and nothing would be predictable.

 

i dont know much about that.

peace.

 

but nodbody has ever seen it or been shown proof of it. so wouldent you give that the same answer to somebody who said god exists? i dont see the difference,

they are both negatives because neither have been produced or seen. or slightly proven,

and do you agree though? do things happen because its caused by something else?


peace,

 

The mathematics holds up.
And the particle (second sentence) has been observed.

Nuclear decay is proven.

The black hole one doesn't have a cause, other than random emission, and I'll doubt you accept randomness as a cause

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i wouldent understand the mathematics of it straight away anyway.

i also have not studied nuclear decay much, so again im at a dissadvantage.

and i dont agree with the black hole example you used. seeing as the science behind black holes doesent make sense unless you change the laws of physics, wich in my books is cheating,


peace.

 

Not true.
The science that indicated that black holes could exist is straight forward A level physics.
It only gets abstruse when you get past that point.
Hawking, Kerr, Newman and others have a very good mathematical basis (i.e. not "cheating") for what they publish.
The laws of physics break down inside a black hole, not at the event horizon or during the formation.

 

yes but you have to include everything including where the matter goes after it passes the event horizon, you cant exclude some thing and include others just so it stays "physics friendly".


speaking about the formation of a black hole alone and leaving out its full function is wrong, because we can justify the existence with physics but not the after effect of mas and energy after entry,


peace.

 

The mass adds to the mass of the black hole.
What state it's in is a different question.
It's not done to make it "physics friendly" it's not done because we can't work it out.

So, you're another one that wants all the answers NOW!

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We don't know and we can't calculate.
All we can work out is the the total mass and charge (and rotation I think).
Black holes have no other properties.

 

Constantinople

 

but the size of black holes dont add up to the mass they have eaten. if the fat bastards have eaten 15 burgers in a row but only put on the weight of 3 burgers it doesent add up.

and i dont think there is any evidence showing us the energy transfer from mass intake to the formation of the black hole is there?.

and yes i understand that we dont know much about black holes, and i would even go as far as saying they might still not even exist. and yes i have seen the recent images and "data" of black holes existing. but there is still a possibility that they are not what we think they are,

i was going to mention something about the string theory also but i thought black holes are going far enough, because this is a cesspool thread afterall. we dont want to make it too credible.


peace.

 

byzantium?

peace.

 

Bob Barker

 

Does it not?
The mass of a black increases as it takes in mass.

Energy intake?
If you have a kilo of steel and add another kilo what energy intake is there?
It's an addition of mass.

There's always a possibility that things aren't what we think they are.

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Farblacaradulopinofleshaduwop...

I wonder if I'm the first person to say that word out loud.

 

the first thing that popped into my head today is, why am i always scared?