Life is Conscient Energy

After months of meditation (I`m kidding... I spent just some hours

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) I draw the conclusion that the only complete definition to life is a conscient energy.

Why? Well... first life must be a kind of energy. We are able to realize work, so we ARE a kind of energy. Also, everything in the universe is a kind of energy, so life must be one too.

Conscient because we are also conscient. A tree is conscient too, but the grade of conscient might vary. More evolved species certainly are more conscient, while less evolved are not much conscient. Our senses make us conscient of our environment, but there is also self-conscience. That`s humans. Humans are the only specie that is self-conscient.

I know that scientists might argue with me about a conscient energy, but if there is no conscient energy, how can we explain our conscience? How can conscience exist? What is conscience? If everything is a kind of energy, concience must be one also. And life is perfect for this definition.

 

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Hello Nelson. Goodbye cruel world.

*Shoots self*

BTW, "conscient" is not a word.

 

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Really? So why there is ´conscient` in the dictionary?http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=conscient

It means conscious, aware...

PS: Please discuss the subject, not my English...
I believe I can take care of my English, myself... I even know words that you don`t...

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Death, where is thy sting?

Ja Nelson, it was a word - for Bacon. You know when he lived?

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I rest my case.

Okay, how's this for your post:

Utterly unsubstantiated. Would a moderator please move this pseudoscience to the appropriate forum?

Blurs the distinction between that which has the attributes of life and the essence of life, if you wish to be Platonic.

If you wish to be scientific -- and you are on my turf, Nelson --

Evidence?

Evidence?

Evidence?

Evidence?

You've heard of the mind, right?

Why don't you define the following:

before asking.

Kindly do not confuse the scientific term "energy" with the New-Age term, Nelson. They are different concepts.

Would a moderator please move to the appropriate forum? Thanks much.

 

Nelson read this

The Evolution of Consciousness: The Origins of the Way We Think
by Robert Ornstein

He uses deductive logic. Interesting book, I haven't read the whole thing myself though.

 

Xev,

Common knowledge needs no evidence.:bugeye:
Unless you want me to explain why 2+2=4...

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Great explanation. You change the word conscience into mind. Does that explain something? I don`t think so...:bugeye:

You are walking in circles like usual. It`s no help to know that 3+1=2+2...:bugeye:

I want to know what`s the nature of conscience. It seems to be energy. That`s my point.

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That conscience is in the mind, that I already know.:bugeye:

You, again, have a lot of preconceit and have no idea of what I`m talking about. My definition of energy here is complelty sientific. You again are against it just because it is a new idea.

*sigh...


James R,

Matter is a kind of energy.
However, I did not said that we are matter. WE ARE NOT MATTER. I hope that everyone here knows that...:bugeye:

If we were matter, we would be as dead as a chair or a table. :bugeye:

We are a conscience. We are just limited in a body that is made of matter, but we are not the matter...:bugeye:

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It grows. It follows light. It reproduces. It lives.

 

Nelson:

Firstoff, your posts do seem to have evolved a bit. You're growing a thicker skin and learning to insult.

Congratulations.

Perhaps if you stopped posting lies about me "attacking" you we could talk civilly.

The conscience is part of the mind, an effect of the mind. This is well known...so what's your point?

Do not confuse equivalent results with equivalent questions.

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Okay, good.

Conscience is a growth of the mind.
E=MC^2 means that matter and energy are equivalent.
The mind is a growth of the brain.
The brain is made out of matter.
Therefore, conscience is made out of energy.

I agree.
What's your point?

We aren't matter?

Why is this?

Conscience does not equal soul.

Life is not the same thing as consciousness.

 

He's just feeding off this...

Noooooooooo...... don't do it..... don't take the bait guys.... just ignore him......

I see he's still here, after grandly announcing his departure, and people are still wasting time trying to get him to try to see anything from another point of view. I get the impression he picks a forum and then "meditates" on a topic until some kind of BS comes to him and then he sees if anyone will justify his effort. This is the man who called Stephen Hawking a mysticist without even reading his books. Eventually, if he learns that no one wants to play his dumb games anymore, he'll go away, or try to figure out what he's doing wrong. I don't hold out any hope for the latter. I don't think this is an ad hominem attack, and I don't aim to prove that he's stupid or inferior, it's just that if he consistently posits sloppy thinking, and efforts to correct this have proven worthless, then he should be discouraged from posting here. This is a Science forum, and logical discourse should be encouraged. This person, from what I've seen, rarely cites any research or discusses current theory in any field, rather he just thinks that his own "theories" are worth talking about. Flaming and emoticons and quips and last-word-getting should be exiled to AOL chatland hell or some other such place where people troll for emotional response.

Please, for the love of science, ignore this person.

Just roll the window up and drive away.

John Le Coq

 

le coqu,

*cought...

Excuse me... but I

 

le coqu,

*cought...

Excuse me... but I came back because many people asked me to post again...

I don`t do that...

Ii called his ideas ´scientific mysticism` as he doesn`t prove anything that he says. However, you blindly believe in him just because he is a f****** famous scientist...

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No comments...:bugeye:

Are you sure you are not attacking me?

What do you want me to cite? Webpages...?
I always discuss current theories... that`s where my ideas come from... I also cited many modern theories like the brane theory, multiverse and so on...


James R,

So what is that:
E=mc^2??

Eenergy. Like matter, it is an energy. Tthe problem nowdays is that people thinks that energy is made of matter while the Truth is that it works in the other way around. The matter is made of energy and so is our conscience...

No I didn`t. What I was trying to say is that our living beings are conscient. That doesn`t mean that they are self-conscient (not all of them are self-conscient...), but they are conscient of their surroundings. For example: a victim and a predator. The victim realizes that the predator is watching, so it runs away. the victim is conscient of the predator. Social animalsmight also be self-conscient, as there is a differentiation between itself, and the others of the group. Like elephants, for example.

 

Xev,

If it were so, you would be doing a good job as a teacher. But you are not a good teacher of insultism...

No, it is separed. Pay attention to your thoughts. Can you compare them with just matter?

My point is that people still think that conscience is made out of matter... Even you, as I can see in your first quote...

No. We are energy.

Matter cannot sustain itself without a conscient energy (life)...
It decomposes without life.

For sure it doesn`t...

Then show me why...
Because my point is the exact opposite of that (if you read the title you can easily see that...)

 

Nelson:
"If it were so, you would be doing a good job as a teacher. But you are not a good teacher of insultism..."

It is so. You're changing.

"No, it is separed. Pay attention to your thoughts. Can you compare them with just matter?"

Yes. My thoughts are chemical/electrical signals.

"No. We are energy."

Energy and matter are equivalent....E=mc^2.

Perhaps you should define "energy", though, just so we're on the same page?

"Matter cannot sustain itself without a conscient energy (life)...
It decomposes without life."

Not exactly, but very close.

Matter/energy is neither created nor destroyed. However, living matter cannot remain alive without, well, life.

"Then show me why..."

Life and consciousness are two different terms.

Life is basically the ability to reproduce, grow and hold out against entropy (disorder).

Consciousness is knowledge of one's own existance - the knowedge that "I exist".

 

Excuse me... but I came back because many people asked me to post again...

Where ? Who ? I saw nothing of the sort.

Are you sure you are not attacking me?

You seem to under the delusion that everyone is out to get you. Don't be so paranoid.

I always discuss current theories... that`s where my ideas come from... I also cited many modern theories like the brane theory, multiverse and so on...

Perhaps, but they were your own theories not based on any scientific observations. Your ideas were wrought from an overactive imagination.

 

I think that maybe our consciousness (or some part of it) may lay in the electromagnetical field of our brain.....just a theory, I don't insist on it.



I'm bored, I can't find Salvia Divinorum anywhere in this damn country, through my hardware runs free electricity (0.3w) and I can't find my favourite cd and I have to finish one web project ~ in 4 days..........I'd love to suspend my brain for a few days...where's the switch?

 

Trusthseeker- you say that life/conciousness is energy, not matter.
I disagree, but before I shout about why, could you please state exactly what you mean by the term 'energy' IMO it gets confused far to often.

 

Sublime Trigger,

Energy for me is the same energy for you.
All that I'm trying to do here is to show that conscience is most probably a different kind of energy, like matter is. It seems that everyone think that everything is matter. It doesn't seem so. See how many kinds of energy there are...!

Besides that, conscience has some properties that matter don't have. It seems more evolved than matter. I don't believe conscience is any kind of energy science knows.

 

yay Nelson.....you're back.. e-mail me...how are you now... ...maybe we even could continue our discussion

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bye

 

Ahh haa...

Umm.. Truth Seeker

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I'm going over the way you use the term conscience..
I was just wondering ..for the purpose of clarification to some of the other guys and gals here..
If the term WILL is somewhat the concept you're trying to portray..
I mean that is.. we as humans possess the power of will which is very hard to define in terms of matter nowadays..
..so *cough* ..
lets see if my interjection stirs anyone

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Talk to ya neurons later..