How come China persecutes Christians?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by Why?, Sep 21, 2007.

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  1. lightgigantic

    lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    yes

    but communism isn't.
     
    lightgigantic, Sep 23, 2007
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  3. cosmictraveler

    cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Neither are many other religions just look at the wars now going on because of religions. Religions are just as bad as communism, either you adhere to what those religions say, in some instances, or you are cast out.Religions are the same as communism , in my point of view because they resember communism in a number of ways.
     
    cosmictraveler, Sep 23, 2007
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  5. lightgigantic

    lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    big difference between china's social policies and many other places in the world - its not clear how introducing the general practice of religion somehow favours your stance ...
     
    lightgigantic, Sep 23, 2007
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  7. Leo Volont

    Leo Volont Registered Senior Member

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    If you would check with many of the Evangelical Protestant Sects, they are virulently anti-communist and had published in many forums their will and intent to attack Communism and to overthrow the Communist Government.

    Well, I am not so sure that they had been paying closely enough to realize that the Communists are no longer, well, communist. Their Capitalism is actually working better than everybody elses. It seems that Democracy must simply be getting in the way. But, still, it must part of the agenda of those who Control the Religious Right to destroy the Chinese Government so that the Masonic Capitialists, or whoever is calling all of the shots, can take over.

    That being the case, why should China allow these Thinly Veiled Political Operatives into their country?

    Simply look at every sect that China so-called 'persecutes' , they have all declared the will to overthrow the Chinese Government.

    The United States behaves no differently. It does not welcome Terrorists, does it. So why should China welcome its declared enemies?

    Now, about Catholicism. China has its own Bishops. It celebrates the Catholic Mass. The Pope is pissed only because he isn't allowed to place his own Bishops, and this is the Pope who is proud to have destroyed Communism in Europe and who purged every Socialist Priest in Latin America... any priest in Latin America who had ever spoken in sympathy to the Poor was tossed out of his Parish and made to go into an Imprisoned Seclusion in some isolated Monastery somewhere... the same as jail, Catholic Style. So is it really to be wondered why the Chinese Government would hesitate to have this Pope of the Rich and Priveleged appoint Bishops in Communist China?

    Well, at least the Pope stood up to George Bush. At least this Ex-Nazi Pope is to the political left of Somebody.
     
    Leo Volont, Sep 23, 2007
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  8. cosmictraveler

    cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The Pope, who is appointed, like communists, by members of his organization. The pope has the right to change laws in the way the church does its business, same as communists. The pope is a dictator just as is the head of the communist party is. So where's the big difference besides the way they do their business?
     
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  9. Joeman

    Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think Chinese persecute Christians. They persecute fundies. I know many American Missionaries over there who preach openly and have no problems. They are afraid of religious institutions which might eventually oppose the government.
     
    Joeman, Sep 26, 2007
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  10. cosmictraveler

    cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Where does it state that?
     
    cosmictraveler, Sep 26, 2007
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  11. Fraggle Rocker

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    You speak as though there is a single philosophy for the half of the population that does not live in "The West." Considering that this is not true of us, why should it be true of them?

    Buddhists tend to be tolerant--today, not always in the past. The dao is a tolerant philosophy, although it is so infinitely recursive that I suppose one of the things it tolerates is intolerance. Confucians are a tolerant lot within broad limits: you have to respect authority. This has been cited as the main reason that communist autocracies so easily took over China and other East Asian nations.

    It is worth noting that the Jews put that tolerance to a test, with an unexpected outcome. The Diaspora brought Jewish settlers to China in the 7th century. They built synagogues and set up businesses, and to their relief they were accepted by the Chinese with little comment so long as they paid their taxes and abided by the local laws, whose focus was a purely secular and sensible maintenance of order. With no external pressure to remain in their shtetls, they all eventually assimilated and married into the majority population.

    To understand why China might not welcome Christians as it welcomed Jews, one need only contrast the two Abrahamic religions and compare them to Chinese tradition.

    Afterlife: The Chinese talk about this in religious services. Everyday life is about this world. The Jews feel the same way. The Christians think that going to heaven is the sole purpose of mortal life.

    Economics: The Chinese have a work ethic and believe everyone should be paid according to what he produces. The Jews feel the same way. The Christians believe that everyone should be fed and housed regardless of how little he produces. (Notice that Communism enshrined this Christian principle as "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability," and Communism only started working in China when they tossed it out.

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    Authority: The Chinese believe in a patriarchy, with respect given to elders and tradition. The Jews feel the same way. Christendom keeps spinning off wacky little sects who then try to convince everyone else that they're wrong.

    As an American, I understand that freedom of religion is necessary because the alternative invariably leads to worse conditions. Still I can't help fantasizing about the joys of a Christian-free world. I can certainly understand why some countries simply don't want to let them in.
     
    Fraggle Rocker, Oct 1, 2007
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  12. Nasor

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    I certainly have no love for China’s government, but to be fair the vast majority of Tibetans welcomed the Chinese as liberators. Prior to the Chinese takeover in the 1950s, most of the population of Tibet were literally slaves to a small group of wealthy, land-owning monks.
     
    Nasor, Oct 1, 2007
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  13. kmguru

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    Over 5 centuries, the Tibetans could not make up their mind to get close to India or China...at one time Dalai Lama ran to Mongolia and later to India. Sooner or later a predator is going to eat it alive....and so, it fell to the natural order of things sans smartness!
     
    kmguru, Oct 1, 2007
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  14. joepistole

    joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I am a Christian, but Chinese persecute Christians because of the falwells, robertsons of the world. They give Christianity a BAD RAP.
     
    joepistole, Oct 5, 2007
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  15. kmguru

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    It is the Christian Conversion process that the Chinese do not like. Imagine a group of Muslims going door to door preaching Islam in USA. I am sure the FBI will follow them and the locals will find some legal infractions and chase these people. Besides, Easterners are doing fine with their Philosophy and may not want to get polluted by Religion which is foreign to them.
     
    kmguru, Oct 5, 2007
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  16. Wisdom_Seeker

    Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Really? I had no clue
     
    Wisdom_Seeker, Oct 5, 2007
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