Are you there God? ...it's uh, Sciforums.

Give an example...all you do is say things

 

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Vital One,

We don't really exist for you, do we?

 

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If you showed a brick defying gravity they would try to explain how the brick naturally happened to defy gravity and if you said it was supernatural they would say it can't be, and if they could not explain it by naturalistic means they would say the "natural cause is currently unknown"...so naturalism is unfalsifiable...

There are lots of things where the natural cause is currently unknown..does this cause you to believe naturalism is false? Exactly.

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You don´t find it effective, but you are trying to do the same thing; therefore it cannot be effective if not even you trust in it.

Ok, so for you, Law of Attraction do exist, and you personally practice it as you´ve claimed, but you find the term "Law of Attraction" disgusting. Oh, and New Age BS, when it is just a name for what you are doing; there is something wrong there dude.

 

Good question. I think the impact of this would be significant, not just for me, but for all of society. We would give up science and start praying. Religious people would gain political power and promote theocracy. Science would be an illusion, since natural laws could change at whim.

 

For VitalOne,

What if a brick suddenly turned into a flower, with all trickery accounted for, a controlled situation. This would prove naturalism is false.

 

But in that case, we wouldn't perceive this to be a loss or a disadvantage. I do suspect we'd live in a tempest of fear and hope.


To add - I'm not Buddhist, but their teachings make some good points, such as this one:

I agree with the Buddha on this point. I can't conceive how one could believe in God and still be happy. Hence my wondering about how come you took up this experiment.

 

I have no desire to be happy. I am taking up this experiment because if God would reveal itself to me, I would have to accept it as truth. I only want to know the truth. I'm also a big fan of Buddhism, but I'd like to respond to this:

"When one can't pin down as a truth or reality what should & shouldn't be done, one dwells bewildered & unprotected. "

Yes. Exactly.

Look, and it can't be seen.
Listen, and it can't be heard.
Reach, and it can't be grasped.

Above, it isn't bright.
Below, it isn't dark.
Seamless, unnamable,
it returns to the realm of nothing.
Form that includes all forms,
image without an image,
subtle, beyond all conception.

Approach it and there is no beginning;
follow it and there is no end.
You can't know it, but you can be it,
at ease in your own life.
Just realize where you come from:
this is the essence of wisdom.

TTC vs 14

 

Buddhism and Daoism together? We are talking "Zen" here dude.

 

I do, though.

I think that all people want to be happy, and that nobody wants to suffer. But the pursuit of happiness has gotten a bad reputation, especially in the West. As if it were something shallow and fake.

There are many truths. Most of them are useless in the pursuit of happiness and making an end to suffering.
My focus is on the truths that are both true and useful.

 

The pursuit of happiness is precisely what causes misery.

 

Jesus never mentioned reincarnation. Reincarnation comes from Hindu religion. Jesus speaks of heaven and hell. The bible speaks of resurection, being reunited with your body, and then you either go to the kingdom of heaven or into the lake of fire.
Believe in Jesus and repent, (follow His teachings in the KJV New Testament) and you will be happy forever in heaven. Don't believe in Jesus or don't repent of sin, and you will be tormented forever in a lake of fire as a punishment.
Eternal happiness is balanced against eternal suffering.

 

Of course, much of our pursuit for happiness causes suffering.
But I have faith that not all pursuit of happiness causes suffering.

 

Doesn't revelations say something about all the dead coming back to live in a paradise on Earth when it's all over?

 

I find they are very similar. Only by giving yourself up to be unprotected and bewildered can the truth enter. Ideologies are like self-defense mechanisms. Jesus seemed to do the same thing on the cross. Instead of getting all his disciples to fight back or go into hiding, Jesus gave himself up, and thus served as an example to others of the evil of the Roman justice system (one presumes this was already obvious, but hey).

 

Here's a great debate between Christopher Hitchens and some religious guy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6851159367044940771&hl=en

 

So, has Vital prayed anyone into a Theist yet?

 

He turned me into a Myuunitarian.

 

I don't feel any more theistic. Give it time to work.

 

Luke 16:9
"And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations."
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Reincarnation