Why do Race threads usually get locked?

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  1. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Whatever happened to PJ?
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    I miss PJ big time
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Threads on race around here tend to be same old same old.

    I mean, do we really need yet another thread on "Are black people smarter than white people?" (or, much more commonly posted by racists, vice versa).

    Such threads are usually started only to be inflammatory. The usual suspects chime in with links to ********** and nazi.com, while reasonable people take offence and start to insult the neo-nazis. Then, the threads inevitably degenerate into a mud-slinging match.

    The other reason that threads of that type often get closed is because they constitute attempts by racists to spread more of their propaganda to all corners of the internet. They have a ready supply of "articles" and "statistics", ready to link to hate sites, all of which have been comprehensively debunked.
     
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  7. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    You'll have to let us know next time these stats are "debunked".
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Isn't once enough?
     
  9. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    Since I post many stats once wouldn't be enough. I don't even remember you once debunking anything. Maybe I should post some stats for you to debunk? How about this?

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    The Color of Crime

    Race, Crime, and Justice in America

    Second, Expanded Edition, 2005

    Download free PDF

    Major Findings:

    • Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
    Crime Rates

    • Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

    • When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

    • Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

    • The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
    Interracial Crime

    • Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

    • Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

    • Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

    • Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
    Gangs

    • Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

    • Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
    Incarceration

    • Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

    • Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I can't believe he's posting race statistics in Site Feedback
     
  11. draqon Banned Banned

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    Count Sudoku...we all know these statistics...but it is better for society to keep silent to the truth...because that way there will be peace. So for the sake of peace...halt this.
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You're off topic. I know you'll take any opportunity to have another racist rant, but try to restrain yourself.

    Very briefly, since I've done this on several other occasions (which you have conveniently forgotten):

    This is based on what? Conviction rates? The other "statistics" here are probably also based on the same thing.

    There's no way to tell. All you have is conviction rates, or apprehension rates, most likely.

    The single best indicator of the amount of policing, maybe. Not the same thing, at all.

    And there is about a 10 to 1 disparity in death sentences handed out when you compare black people killing white people with its opposite.

    Again, I assume you're basing this on policing rates or convictions.

    Estimated by racists?

    Or be convicted of them...

    Gang membership has socio-economic correlates.

    Tough on crime policies do little to ameliorate crime.

    I've asked you many times to consider the reasons for that. I have carefully informed you about differential policing and differences in sentencing and conviction rates.

    Either it all went over your head, or you have another agenda.

    In fact, there's no need to guess at your motives, since you're quite clear about your motives.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why are we having a discussion on race in Site Feedback?

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  14. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    James claims he can "debunk" the stats I post here. I'd like to see him try.
     
  15. phoenix2634 Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know. :shrug:
     
  16. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    I doubt everyone knows this. James doesn't believe it (he debunks my stats) and why did you get a caution on this post?
     
  17. Nutter Shake it loose, baby! Registered Senior Member

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    "Keep[ing] silent to the truth ... " merely perpetuates the status quo, which, as the data reveal, is not a good thing for residents of the USA. Also, such data serve as a warning for those who may be considering immigrating to the USA. Prospective immigrants may want to seriously consider whether they wish to reside in a criminal-infested madhouse.

    One must count the costs. The more data available with which to make an informed decision, the better. After all, we do want our newly minted immigrants to enjoy their time spent in the USA, so that they may amply avail themselves of the cornucopia which the USA has to offer.
     
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    Probably because I didn't buy your BS.

    Conviction rates as well as crime reports. When someone is mugged and reports to the police they are going to tell the cops the race of the perp and it's unlikely they are going to lie because they'll want the son of a bitch arrested no matter what race he is. (Unless it's a faked hate crime that is).

    Oh Jesus. Maybe you'll suggest next that cops ignore murders committed by white people.

    If I notice anything it is that blacks get lenient sentences when they attack whites and whites are automatically accused of a hate crime and punished much harder if they attack non-whites.

    I'm basing this on the way the DOJ does it which includes victim reports. Perhaps you have a better way Columbo?

    Is the DOJ a bunch of racists now?

    Right. Because the authorities are so eager to make blacks and non-whites look as bad as possible. So eager that they label obvious non-whites as whites for crime purposes...

    This is a white guy.

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    Race has socio-economic correlates.

    That must be why crime has dropped when we fill the prisons up.

    Yes my motives are clear. I want physical and political separation from non-whites. If you want to live in the Third World go ahead, in fact I insist you do. Leave me out of it.
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Already done. Either you don't understand the point, or you choose to ignore it.

    We're demonstrating why race threads usually get locked, by example.

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    Sudoku:

    Very few arrests are as a result of reports by victims.

    It's such a simple point that even you should be able to understand it: Crime statistics reflect reported crime. If crime is differentially policed or subject to disparate reporting, that will be reflected in the crime statistics.

    Of course, murder statistics are probably reasonably reliable, but the same cannot be said of other violent crimes.

    Then you're not noticing the truth. You're seeing only what you want to see. As usual, you don't surprise me.

    No, I don't, and neither does anybody else. Hence, the "dark figure of crime" goes unobserved and unrecognised by the uneducated, like yourself, who therefore misinterpret crime statistics.

    No. It's a simple matter of pulling over more black drivers for breath tests and road worthy checks and, well, just for being black. More pulling over means more detected crime. See? And that's just for traffic offences.

    Got the picture yet, or do I need to make it simpler for you?

    Yes.

    So, now you have to establish causation, if you can.

    If you go down that path, you will be doing something you have failed to do since you arrived at sciforums. You will have learnt something. You will have progressed beyond the narrow-minded bigotry you arrived with.

    I won't hold my breath.

    And you can prove causation in this case, too, rather than just correlation?

    Of course you cannot.

    And you think the members of sciforums need to be told of your racist desires yet again?

    Nobody cares, Sudoku. Go live in a cave somewhere, if you like.
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    (Insert title here)

    So ... just how is bawling about it at Sciforums going to help you achieve that?

    • • •​

    Oh, hey, I just had an idea. Move to Norway.

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    Mari Boine Person: Is she white enough for you?

    A heritage is slowly being driven to extinction. Go fight for it.

    It's a sad story of oppression:

    Oppskrift for Herrefolk (Recipe for a Master Race)
    by Mari Boine Person, translated from Sami to English in liner notes

    Draw boundaries on the map, and call it The State
    Be King Minister, Protector and Father.
    Send bailiffs and businessmen, priests and soldiers
    To the people who own the land you take.

    Use Bible and booze and bayonet.
    Break promises and agreements,
    Be a diplomat.
    Use articles of law against ancient rights.
    Create prejudice, discrimination, and hate.

    Let no one question your authority.
    That's how you suppress a minority.

    Let language and culture take their place in the museum
    As a research object and tourist attraction.
    Give lively speeches on each festive occasion.
    Let it disintegrate and die, that which was a nation.

    Let no one question your authority.
    That's how you create a minority.

    What's even better, Sudoku, is that you can have that separation from the non-whites. The oppressors, also, are white. I mean, you'll probably find some nonwhites in Norway, but most of those will be just passing through.
     
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  21. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Well you never know, he may be quite active outside.
     
  22. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    THEY ARE TEDIOUS.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Race threads invariably end up with the scientific method being flouted and are therefore exactly the kind of discussion that we're not in the business of hosting on SciForums. It's already happened on this thread. Extraordinary assertions about issues of race which have already been made, challenged, and not successfully defended in our primitive but adequate peer review process, in other threads, have been re-posted. That is trolling.
     

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