Academic Disparities in Race and Socioeconomic Groups

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  1. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/11/summit_called_t.php

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/12/MNH8T5LTC.DTL

    Summit Called to Address Racial Disparities in Academic Performance

    Every time state schools chief Jack O’Connell thought he was doing something to close the achievement gap, a new round of test scores showed that black and Latino students had gained no ground on their white and Asian American peers.

    Like many educators, O’Connell assumed the culprit was poverty. Then he noticed an even wider ethnic disparity among students who were not poor.

    The realization was a jolt: Being black or Latino—not poor—was what the low-scorers had in common. And it changed everything.

    O’Connell now believes that widespread cultural ignorance within the California school system is responsible for the poor academic performance of many black and Latino students in school.

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    English scores illustrate gap

    To see a measure of the achievement gap, The Chronicle looked at the English portion of the 2007 California Standards Test, taken by 4.7 million students last spring. Disadvantaged refers to students who qualify for the federal lunch program. Nondisadvantaged refers to students who do not qualify for the program.

    Nondisadvantaged scoring at grade level or above / Disadvantaged scoring at grade level or above

    Asian American 77% 48%
    White 67% 41%
    Latino 42% 26%
    Black 40% 24%

    Based on the percentages listed above, the following tables show the gap between groups of student—by ethnicity and by income level&151;scoring at grade level:
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    I found something quite interesting Count. Why did you leave out the other vital and important parts of the article from http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/12/MNH8T5LTC.DTL?

    I noticed how you "snipped" the article when it came to this crucial point:

    Hmmm cultural diversity and the lack of understanding and knowledge of the cultures of students on behalf of the teacher.

    Interesting again, isn't it?

    Gee, who'd have thought. The schools in the "black and latino" areas don't get the best teachers because of lack of funding... ergo, teachers with the most experience do not teach at such schools, preferring to teach in schools where the roof is not leaking and where the heater works, also where materials are available. Funny that eh?

    You really should not leave so much out of the article Count, especially when it is so important to the debate.
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It's blatant dishonesty to snip out inconvenient parts of articles quoted, just so it looks like your racist arguments have some support.
     
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  7. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Could you please cite the peer-reviewed article that shows the genetic basis for this classification of races and then show how the work you were citing applied these genetic criteria to their own research?
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    I find it personally amusing that in his attempt to post racist propaganda, his own article failed him dismally. Instead of stating that blacks are somehow less intelligent because of their skin colour, what his own article does point out is that blacks and latinos are scoring lower in tests because the education system is failing them dismally, because they are coloured.
     
  9. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    I "left" it out because this is the only board where the mods harass you for posting articles in full.
     
  10. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    What's interesting is that "Asians" do better than whites with a "Eurocentric" system.

    One thing I can assure you is that the whole idea of "experienced" teachers is overrated.

    What's funny is that you actually believe this is the real reason when saying the obvious would get you fired.

    I figured I'd let you do it so the usual suspects wouldn't harass me for posting an article in full.

    BTW, here is what happened in Kansas City a few years back when a liberal judge got his wet dream fulfilled and was allowed to spend all the money he wanted to create some of the "best schools in America" for black students.

    http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/12/#cover

    Catastrophe in Kansas City

    The latest colossal failure in forced equality.

    by Marian Evans

    The effort to integrate the Kansas City public schools is one of the most costly, misguided, and ineffectual programs ever undertaken in America in the name of racial equality. This billion-dollar effort has been so utterly a failure that only good can come of it. Catastrophe as complete as this may shake even a liberal’s confidence. This may well be the high-water mark of the astonishing efforts whites have made to build a society in the name of an illusory equality.

    Kansas City came to national attention ten years ago, when federal District Judge Russell Clark ordered the school district to build and staff the best, most expensive public schools in the country — perhaps in the world. They were to be so dazzlingly good that they would both lure white students out of their safe suburbs and raise black student achievement to the white level. Judge Clark was even willing to wield dictatorial power to get what he wanted, looting both the city and the state to fund the gold-plated schools that desegregation was thought to require.

    Of course, the grand experiment failed. The wondrous schools were duly built but blacks learned no more in them than before. Whites stayed in the suburbs. And now a recent Supreme Court decision will probably cut off massive subsidies from the state, leaving the city with a hugely expensive system to run and no money. If Kansas City cannot dream up new ways to make whites pay for them, the dream schools will slide back into the ramshackled mediocrity from which Judge Clark thought he had lifted them.

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  11. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    How many times have you edited out most of my OP when I do post an entire article?
     
  12. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    I'm not going to reinvent the wheel for you. Go start another thread if you want.
     
  13. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    I find it amusing that that is the conclusion you come to when reading the entire article. Go read the other article I linked to and wrack your brain coming up with some excuse why these schools didn't work that doesn't involve coming up with the most obvious answer.

    http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/12/#cover

    Catastrophe in Kansas City

    The latest colossal failure in forced equality.
     
  14. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    i'm sorry. i thought you had evidence.
     
  15. Bells Staff Member

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    And do the Asians attend the same schools as the blacks and latino's?

    Really? It was your article that commented on it Count. Or are you now discrediting your own article because it has basically blown your whole notion of colour and intelligence out of the water?

    Of course it is precious. Again, you posted an article, left out all the juicy bits that explain the real reason behind the disparity and attempted to use said article to claim a correlation between colour and intelligence.

    Of course you did.

    Ooh.. a racist site. How delightful! Again, read the other article you posted and pay particular attention to the lack of cultural understanding in the education system. It might, just might, bring it all together for you.

    That is what the "entire article" said Count. As to the one from American Renaissance, again, hardly a source one would take seriously. Did you read the "Activists" link? It is a riot Count!
     
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    The road to solipsism.

    We hold some truths to be self-evident.
     
  17. A-Hole Banned Banned

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    Do you suppose such articles would be welcomed by these peers or reviewed objectively and what would happen to such a article writer?

    Do you deny that genetic mutations result in divergence?

    Let us do away with these 'race' groupings and focus more on genetic mutations which characterize specific groups.
     
  18. Zyxoas Registered Senior Member

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    Bells :roflmao:
     
  19. Till Eulenspiegel Registered Member

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    Saying there might be a corelation between race and intelligence is a very unpopular thing to say. It smacks of some sort of hidden racism. That doesn't mean the subject should neither be explored or discussed though.

    Simply saying that someone is a racist if he/she talks about a subject does nothing but kill the discussion. If such a racial disparity in intelligence exist it should be examined. If such a racial disparity in intelligence does not exist the best way to prove it is by examining race and intelligence.

    You don't sweep a topic under the rug and say it can't be discussed or make blanket statements about those discussing it simply because it is unpleasant on politically incorrect.
     
  20. Zyxoas Registered Senior Member

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    @Till:You obviously don't know Count Psyduck at all, do you?
     
  21. A-Hole Banned Banned

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    You said it, brother.

    Mentioning negative things about women can also lead to you being called a sexist.

    Are there any peer-reviewed articles about gender differences?

    I doubt such ideas are tolerated or sponsored. And I doubt the one presenting them does not face some kind of social backlash.

    Maybe what should be considered more seriously is how and if scientists are allowed to ask questions their culture considered 'evil' or unhealthy and if peer-pressure is no less influential than peer-reviews.

    Did the press go along with the postwar rhetoric?
    The reasons should be explored as to how those that tell us they serve truth go along with lies.

    Maybe science is far more affected by psychology than we would like to believe.
     
  22. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Nice try. There's a difference between excerpting the key points from an article for informed readers who don't need all the noise words, and carefully deleting certain points to make it appear that the article has implications that it does not have.

    You're an articulate, educated member who should be able to make your points honestly. Please do so. Reasonable people disagree and it is not your duty to convince everyone to be a racist just because you are one. Your duty is to explain why you think racism is a reasonable attitude and let us draw our own conclusions. You have not come close to achieving either goal in your tireless effort to clog this website with pseudoscientific drenn--some of which you derive by carefully editing otherwise responsibly scientific material. This is a truly ignoble thing to do because you are sullying the reputations of some of the original authors of this material

    You have been given a warning. We're cleaning up this website and treating this type of trolling with increasingly less patience. Don't be surprised if you find yourself banned rather soon. This is one of the worst offenses I have personally seen you commit.
     
  23. CharonZ Registered Senior Member

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    Well, yeah. Lots actually. It is quite a myth (probably propagated by certain bigots) that mainstream science does not discuss these issues. The main difference is that most scientist try not to jump to conclusion in a paper (as opposed as sometimes the way they are being cited by the media, sadly) based on few or uncertain measurements.
    And as of yet not enough evidence have accumulated to define biological meaningful concepts of race, much less postulate superiority of certain groups (e.g. Asians). Same goes to gender differences. It is a difference stating for example that in a study a higher neocortical neuron number in men compared with women was found and to assume that because of this women are less intelligent.
     
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