Bush 'involved' in CIA leak case

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  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Bush 'involved' in CIA leak case

    Former White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, has said the US president was involved in misinforming the public over the leaking of a CIA agent's identity. In an excerpt from his book, Scott McClellan says George W Bush helped mislead the public over the role in the affair of two White House aides.



    So? Is this impeachable yet? Surely even Republicans must agree that leaking the name of a CIA agent, active or not, is impeachable? Surely so?

    "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice-president, the president's chief of staff, and the president himself."


    So - is Bush legally in shit creek or not?
     
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  3. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Ms Plame said Mr McClellan's excerpt was "shocking". "I am outraged to learn that former White House press secretary Scott McClellan confirms that he was sent out to lie to the press corps. Lewis Libby
    Lewis Libby is the only person to have been charged "Even more shocking, McClellan confirms that not only Karl Rove and Scooter Libby told him to lie but Vice-President Cheney, presidential Chief of Staff Andrew Card and President Bush also ordered McClellan to issue his misleading statement." Current White House press secretary Dana Perino said the meaning of the excerpt was unclear.



    So when does the Ms Plame and Scott McClellan smear game start?
     
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  5. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    This part cracked me up: ""I am outraged to learn that former White House press secretary Scott McClellan confirms that he was sent out to lie to the press corps."

    Yeah, that never happens. Never. I'm shocked, too...
     
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  7. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Heh - yeah! I'd be truly shocked to learn there was ever an instance that ANY press secretary was told to tell the full truth about anything.
     
  8. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Having worked with the ones who represent lesser politicians, there are generally two types: Those who slavishly push their boss's agenda and really believe in it (no matter what), and those who are professional PR types who are "just" doing a job and really don't want to know the truth. But there are some good ones. And many times, no matter what their type, they intentionally aren't told the truth.
     
  9. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Gee Whiz Scott, tells us something that we don't know. He's just as responsible as Bush. He knew what he was getting into before he took the job. Obviously he didn't learn from Ari Fleischers mistakes.
     
  10. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    That's what will be lost in this shuffle: McClellan's role. If he knew he was being told to lie and he knew it and he lied anyway, then he should be arrested and charged with obstruction of justice, as I think the Feds were looking into the case at the time.
     
  11. Donnal Registered Member

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    i swear australian CIB dunno if they the same as CIA but they think there in the movies
    flashin there badges real quik like cartoon characters
    we laugh at em
     
  12. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    My point is IF GW Bush was personally involved wouldn't he be liable for not only impeachment but also jail???

    Well?

    Lets for the moment suppose this WH staff worker is telling the truth, would Republicans support impeachment against Bush? Why would we want a Civil servant who is blatantly breaking some of our most cherished laws?
     
  13. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

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    Not just jail, but execution!
     
  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    It's also worth raising the question aimed at George Tenet's recent memoir. Doesn't McClellan owe us the truth, on the record, for free before asking us to put money down for it?

    So says me, at least.
     
  15. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Tenet has a lot to answer for, in my opinion. But I think his biggest fault was brown-nosing, which is very different from intentionally misleading people.
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Depends. Tenet's brwonnosing involved presenting deliberately distorted and carefully selected information for his boss to use in misleading people. Who did he not intentionally mislead, thereby ?
     
  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe I'm missing something BUT if Bush and Cheney INTENTIALLY ordered McClellan to issue his misleading statement that led to the outing of a CIA Agent as part of a ploy to further their aims at leading this nation into war (aka WMD and "uranium" in Africa) that is a criminal offense isn't it?
     
  18. jlocke Registered Senior Member

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  19. Revolvr Registered Senior Member

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    Why is this Plame-gate story still in the news? Everyone knows who leaked the name to Novak. And everyone knows Bush and his admin were not involved. Case was closed a long time ago.
     
  20. jlocke Registered Senior Member

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    Well if you believe that I've got 2 towers to sell you...
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And everyone knows that the prosecutor has not yet actually closed the investigation, that Rove - one of the two who handed the name to Novak, and possibility the originator of the ascription "fair game" as applied to someone currently working a covert operation aimed at Iranian nukes - had met with Cheney and W during the strategy sessions, and that Gonzalez - who has formed a legal defense team, in preparation for upcoming events - was quite possibly involved as well.
     
  22. Revolvr Registered Senior Member

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    The person who leaked the name to Novak has admitted it, apologized for it, and explained why he didn't think Plame was a covert agent. Novak has confirmed the story. Fitzgerald knew it long before he indicted Libby. And clearly this person was not motivated by anything the Bush administrated wanted.

    You guys can waste your time down this rabbit hole all you want. I suppose you believe 911 was an inside job too?
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    So why is McClellan lying now? As Senator Dodd has called on Attorney General Mukasey to open an investigatin, should McClellan be nailed for libeling the President and Vice President? As I wrote in an earlier topic on this same subject,

     

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