The convenient hypocrisy of Republican Christians

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Fraggle Rocker, Dec 19, 2007.

  1. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    intrestingly enough the people most affected by I.I. are the ones most in favor of amnesty. probably something to do with its harder to hate and be a bigot towards people you know.
     
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  3. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    So, as a guy with a Spanish surname, are you saying I'd get hassled in Virginia?

    What form of proof are they requiring? And what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" of being an illegal alien? It seems to me an inability to speak English is pretty good evidence that you're not American by birth.
     
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  5. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    In Prince William County (e.g Manassas), yeah. If you got pulled over for a burned out bulb and they thought you might be a "Messikin" they'd hassle you. If you have any of the stereotyped features of Latino appearance or culture that they could see from a distance they might stop you for something that they couldn't get away with writing a ticket, but those rednecks would find a way to haul you in for a few hours just to send the message that "your kind" are not welcome in Dixie.
    A green card will do it for an immigrant. In all the news articles I haven't seen a clear explanation of how citizens are finally released.
    Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant reasonable suspicion of doing something illegal, which gives them an excuse to shake you down and discover that you might not be American. This is so preposterous in a region where you can pull the giant American flag out by its staples on the bandstand in any bar and find the Confederate flag that was hanging there until 9/11. They act like they're more American than the Americans, when it's just an excuse to relive the days of the KKK.
    It didn't stop Bush from getting elected. Seriously, I guess that's true now but not always. My mother was born in the Bohemian ghetto of Chicago (we call them Czechs now because "Bohemian" was too easy to spell) and she didn't learn fluent English until she went to school.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think with all politicians it is a case of "The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons"
     
  8. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    I am not trying to question your faith, but the way I read that passage, Jesus insulted the woman, and, like a slave in the Old South agreeing with her master that she was nothing more than an animal compared to him, she groveled to save her daughter's life.

    If my daughter needed medical treatment, and the only doctor available was condescending, I'd probably suck it up, in order to save my daughter. At the very least, if anyone were to tell me that helping my daughter was akin to snatching food from children and giving it to dogs, I would not say "Why, thank you. What a compliment!" So I do not see it as an endearment.

    I can see your reading that He was being an ass in order to teach the disciples not to be asses. But that's an interpretation not directly furnished by the text as I read it. It's an eminently plausible guess about what he may have been thinking. It just as likely from the literal text that, in His mind, he actually thought she was unworthy of receiving any of his grace until (like a dog begging for scraps) she amused him enough to give her a taste.

    Since Jesus' private thoughts are not revealed, it's unclear what He was thinking. "Do not cast pearls before swine" was (to me) clearly about not sharing things that are holy with people who don't deserve them. It seems plausible enough to connect that with the scraps for dogs comments (hence many bibles do). The only criterion furnished by Jesus for presuming her unworthy was that He was here for other people, Israelis. The seeming presumption may have been a deception on his part (a teensy bit troubling that he put the fear of rejection into the mother's and daughter's hearts, though) or it may have been rebutted by the mother's persistence.
     
  9. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    But you missed the most important part of the story in your haste to convict Christianity, Jesus often taught through object lesson, the fact is that Jesus recognized her faith to the Disciples, and in his actions chastised them by healing the Woman's Daughter, something unheard of, For a Jew to help a Canaanite, here is what you missed;

     
  10. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Sure, and I had an uncle Condido who lived in the US most of his life but NEVER learned English. The guy would sit there at family gatherings only able to talk to the really old people because no one else was fluent enough in Spanish to carry on a conversation with him.

    It's pretty obvious when someone is not a native speaker. Children learn languages easily and perfectly. But most adults can never really lose their accent when they learn a new language.

    Immigrant families are an excellent case in point. I do exams on them all the time, since my Spanish is decent and I advertise in a Spanish newspaper.

    You have the adults with very limited English, you have the toddlers with mostly Spanish usually since they're with the mom most of the time (if they have older siblings, even the toddlers have often picked up English from them). By first grade, the kids speak perfect English and serve as the translator for the parents.
     
  11. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    yep my bro has seen kids translating for their parents at the dmv scares the crap out of me
     
  12. sandy Banned Banned

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    I DESPISE criminal aliens. They are ruining my country. I want them all gone. Yesterday. I don't care what the hell color/race they are. I want them gone.

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    AMEN!!! Very well-said. :bravo:
     
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    So.
    What if native americans wanted you to go?

    The ancestors of current Americans were never invited.
    You should also go, if asked.
     
  14. sandy Banned Banned

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    I'm not playing history or what if? I'm talking about NOW. We have a HUGE problem that will destroy this country.

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    I was born and raised here. So were the last 5 generations of my family. We go way back. We are here legally. We deserve to stay here. We have all contributed greatly to this country. Not stole from it like the parasitic criminal aliens.

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  15. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    So we should just ignore all your comments about LEGAL immigrants (as quoted above)? Yeah you're probably right--come to think of it I should just ignore everything you say since you appear to speak out of some other orifice than your mouth.
     
  16. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    I am sorry to disappoint you, but the vast majority of current generation Native Americans do not feel that way, I have a brother, and am a brother of the Objibway, we are closer then I am to my own brother, and your not even in the ball park.

    History is just that history, there is a saying, The past is a pile of ash, build the fire of today, with new wood, I whish I could give you the Ojibway words but I can't remember them properly.
     
  17. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Again maxg, Sandy made it clear a long time ago that she was talking about Illegal aliens, so stop putting the Rush on her, and address the fact that these Illegals are the problem, and are a major drain on our Schools, Health Care, and Legal Systems, that they depress the wage for the legal worker, and do not add any thing to the Social System, they are net receivers of the benefits of that system.
     
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    So even non-Jews might be saved, if they groveled and begged and admitted to being dogs.

    Cute, pet Greek lap dogs, of course - as were no doubt common in the households of Canaan and Galilee at the time. What is the Aramaic for "cute lap dog" ? The concept seems to have disappeared from the area in the intervening centuries.

    Teaching by example is always best, they say.

    I don't think the government is a reasonable instrument of compassion, nor do I think illegal immigrants should be allowed to remain on any grounds other than recognition of the difficulty and expense in deporting them all. But then I am not claiming to base my legal system and governance on the teachings of Jesus Christ or the Christian Bible, as the Republicans have been recently.
     
  19. sandy Banned Banned

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    I want an end to ALL immigration. I want ALL illegal aliens deported COD to wherever the hell they came from. We have enough.

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  20. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    I suggest you read her comments including the one below. She is against all immigration and has expressed a dislike for immigrants (particularly Latino ones) in a number of posts.

    The problem I see with a lot of the rhetoric about illegal immigration is that it is just a cover for a dislike of immigration or that it is really a smokescreen that obfuscates the real problems with welfare, with the healthcare system, with jobs, trade, etc.
     
  21. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think it's always an intentional smokescreen, but I do think there is definitely some truth to your statement.
     
  22. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    I wasn't trying to "convict" Christianity. The whole Jewish faith is somewhat provincial (they are the "chosen people" after all, and non-Jews are not) and Jesus was member of that faith and ethnicity.

    As for the quoted test, it makes a fair case for your interpretation, but it's doesn't come close to proving that that interpretation is the one and only one. It's "one writer's opinion" just as yours is and just as mine is. Since none of us can really peer into the mind of Jesus, and the text doesn't state what he was thinking, it's all reading tea leaves (or it least it would be, if reading tea leaves weren't against Jewish law)

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    In any event, the original comment was more of a parody, rather than serious. I used the incident as if it were Jesus rejecting an illegal immigrant, when in fact there were obviously no immigration laws and policed borders in those days.
     
  23. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    Not even if he's a hunk of an Eastern European?
     

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