For me the title is a bit off. I don't 'quite' percieve it as, the predicament of a person who is suffering, but more the predicament of the person who suffers. I have this idea in my mind that I don't know is relevant to myself or not, from one angle, but from another, see that it is in many aspects entirely relevant to myself. Basically, it is a perspective. I want to get some reality checks here if possible... The person who is suffering is forced to find out personal responsibility and such and so forth. .. Obviously. But, 'allow' me to consider that the person under goes a lot of it. What is the human natures condition in which a person is in that he suffers, obviously my understanding of such is pretty messed up at this time... Maybe... I think that someone who suffers gains a lot of ability to see their mistakes. Infact it is suffering alone and enduring to the end that in itself very much interests me... Do any of you care to discuss what I have just typed out? Hello.
No, I didn't get what you meant either. Sorry dude, take a deep breath and concentrate on punctuation and syntax if you can. If not, ask one simple question at a time, we'll answer.
I understood that. It still doesn't mean that they would learn anything because they might view themselves as the one who was right and was the one hurt not the one who was wrong in any way. An example is if you get into an argument with your girlfriend because you think that religion is wrong but they feel that religion is right and they are a very religious person. She leaves you because of your views which hurts you and you suffer because you loved her. Your suffering isn't at all due to any mistake on your part for you only said what you believe. She didn't like what you thought true and left because of her inability to tolerate another persons point of view. You still accepted her for whatever she believed because you loved her and would be tolerant just to be with her. She isn't as mature as you so she , in her own way, is the one with a problem to solve, not you. I hope that lets you see what you think isn't always the way it really is.
That's a good example. But to me, the person who undergoes extreme suffering until the end for example, let me just say now and here a person who has a stroke........ Person who suffers and is hurt may think himself right. May not learn much of anything. Who knows? If it is anything it is a predicament of the person experiencing the suffering. Although I do not wish it to be about one very specific thing, such as the predicament of the person who is suffering. I wish it to be sort of broad also if you see what I mean... bah. The point is is that there is hope to those that suffer. How much can someone undergo even?? Although I do not wish to step off the track 'entirely' from the origonal first post, I figure I might as well for right this moment. I myself have gone through some very extreme suffering. And cosmictraveler correcting me saying things rn't how they seem or whatnot is very good and useful. ...And it is hard to give an entire explaination on some objective point from my own suffering.
Stop punishing yourself because you've harmed yourself enough. Just get on with your life and stop thinking of what HAS happened and dwell only on WHAT WILL happen in the future. Good luck but if you get really depressed please seek professional help from a doctor. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Absolutely. And such a person would be prudent to learn from those mistakes and make an effort not to repeat them.
There are ways to think and talk about suffering that help a person overcome suffering. And then there are ways to think and talk about suffering that only make everything worse. Try to see the difference between the two.
I read a psychology book once written by a therapist about her experiences with patients. She observed that a high ratio of people who suffered tremendously in life as children or young adults, grew up to live richer more rewarding lives than their "normal" counterparts. From the depths these young sufferers learned to find a fuel to propel themselves out of their situation, and even if it took decades, when they eventually escaped that pit, they still had an unlimited supply of that fuel, so they kept going. They learned the value of improving one's life, so they continued to do so long after they'd "caught up" with the average person. On a more unfortunate note, these observations were all made on adults who had NOT committed suicide along the way. I guess what you want to take from the suffering is up to you. If you believe in a kind of happiness that could possibly be worth all the pain, you will achieve it, if you can't possible conceive of anything worth the torment, suicide usually becomes the focus. I'm stoic in that sense, I believe one's life is no one's but their own, so if they choose to end it, it's their own choice. But I know that myself, I've made a lot of progress from where I started, and have no plans on slowing down now.
Isn't that why one dwells on the past because they are unsure how it will effect their future? So wouldn't dwelling on the future be the same as dwelling on the past. One would not have any idea of future without looking through the past. Nevermind. Your saying forget about the past and work on your present self. Sounds great but one would need to know that one needs improvement for one to improve oneself.
How stupid of you to be so arragant. You truly believe that I have the ability to type to this computer in a manner which is productive to my own suffering? If you do, you are failing to see the whole manner of my presentation. You try to see the difference between those two, you son of a bitch.
Course. Mind if I elaborate? You seem so fond of that yourself. In life, it is similar (I believe) to a learning experience whence the person that is productive learns from his or her mistakes (etc.). How are we to address the manner of living? Is not all of existance exactly the... sigh. I am too far ahead of you guys Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Anyhow. So. We progress through our lifes. What I was going to say is that perhaps we can consider "all" of life, as a simple and quite frank suffering... Not going to elaborate further. Take it away fellow human beings.
