UFO, or Top secret Military Aircraft?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by Ganymede, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    As with the very defunct Mexican DoD thread, not everything that flies in the sky is military in origin. Sometimes there are Commercial Aircraft exhibitions that only potential clients are privvy too. These exhibitions usually involve some very influential men (and women) showing their new toys as a side line.

    This for the most part means that some UFO's are private sector related and why not everyone is told about who/what it is.
     
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  3. Squeak22 4th Level Human Registered Senior Member

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    That's a drawing.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but there are not too many things that fly that are a mile long and a half mile wide. Maybe its a secret Bill Gates project, he has enough money to fund something like that.
     
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  7. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure about Bill but it's renowned that Richard Branson use to do high level balloon races and has 'Virgin Airlines'. Howard Hughes owned 'Trans World Airlines' albeit he is no longer with us, historically he did defence contracts and built the 'Spruce Goose'. (It was meant to do a similar job to the C-130 Hercules, So you could suggest that various defence projects would ask for Large Aviation Carriers that can transport heavy/large loads to remote locations rather than having to be dropped off by Sea Transports and then covering a lot of ground terrain. Current methods consumes fuel/supplies to march an army to a location and to logistically be able to drop them in at the right location is a cheaper alternative as well as potentially a safer one considering ambushes and landmines.)

    Technically 'Single Wing' aircraft (I don't mean the term monoplane but more along the lines of the 'Triangle shaped craft') are better designed for higher loads (this doesn't just mean 'payload' but lift load in general) as the aerodynamics gives greater weight displacement over it's surface area. Generally also the design is structurally better, as manoeuvrability and speed can otherwise be impaired. (I.e. the concern of the Spruce Goose wasn't just that the engines weren't powerful enough but the actual structure that was made of plywood couldn't support its own weight, should it have flown into the sky it might not of been able to take a bank[turn] without a structural failure.)
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but you really don't need large Army transports as you have the Navy. The Navy consists of a complete array of naval and support vessels and the Marine Corps. The Navy is always forward deployed and can be any where any time. The Army is becoming obsolete. The Navy also has forward deployed Expeditionary Strike Groups consisting if aircraft, Marines, and Naval vessels which are always forward deployed...no need for Army, except for the Navy to defeat at the Annual Army-Navy Football game.
     
  9. Squeak22 4th Level Human Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, because all conflicts happen within firing distance from the ocean.
     
  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well no matter how you look at it the Navy is always going to be closer than the Army. And the Navy has the Marines they can put anywhere in the world at any time. It also has the SEALS that can be placed anywhere in a heart beat. And it also has a ever ready forward deployed Airforce. So the Army and Airforce are relics of the past...not really needed today. Actually, the Air Force has been obsolete ever since the Navy gained the abilitiy to fire balistic missles from Submarines.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Esg.jpg
     
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  11. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    A photograph...there are other shots from different angles floating around.
     
  12. Squeak22 4th Level Human Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, a "doctored" photograph with a drawn-in "V".
     
  13. Squeak22 4th Level Human Registered Senior Member

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    Right.... You do know that all the missal submarines were removed from service? Also they would have a hard time landing the stealth bomber on the aircraft carrier.

    Each service has a role to play. Yes, the marines work great for quick fighting, and nothing projects power like an aircraft carrier, BUT, for longer ground operations, the army would eat the navy alive. They are better equipped for longer ground campaigns than the marines, and have much heavier weapons.
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Navy takes, Army sits. The Armys roll is to occupy. The Navy's roll is to take. Army not even on its best day could ever even come close to beating the Navy. Navy is much more aggressive. The Navy has every weapon the Army has plus. And the Navy does not get lost on the battle field as opposed to the Army (Army special forces in Somilia, Iraq).
     
  15. Squeak22 4th Level Human Registered Senior Member

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    Wow.... why all the hate?

    BTW, I'm pretty sure that the navy doesn't have tanks/artillery/attack choppers.
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Check again, Marines have tanks, helicopters, strike jets, etc. And the Marines are a part of the Navy.

    No hate just a little pride in the Navy. I don't want to hear about the Army in a day and age of GPS getting lost on the battle field. There has always been some animosity between the two services in that the Navy winds up covering for the Army.
     
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  17. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

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    I hate to interrupt this riveting threadjack about the Army vs. Navy, but if I might add something that actually is a response to the original topic:

    I'm not saying the craft in the article I'm about to link even exists, but if it does, I'd say there's a pretty good chance that this is what people are seeing.

    Considering how long we've known about stealth technology, it shouldn't be a jump to think that this craft is feasible.

    http://www.darkgovernment.com/tr3b.html

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  19. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Usually, it can be said, that in a universe with an infinite time and extrapolation of space, the possibilities for other life to reach us are truely endless. I myself saw three UFO's when i was yonger here in my home town in my youth. I am just glad several other people saw it as well, and was even published in the Dunoon Observer.

    Aliens... maybe.

    Take the Roswell Incident. Don't you find it awefully strange how that technology since then has made advancements beyond what was speculated - might it be that the Government did recieve a UFO and used it's intelligence? We already know that FEMA - the secret government has flouted the law in the past... It only tells us that such governments are very capable of telling us lies, and more to the point, how often does it happen?
     
  20. kmguru Staff Member

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    My uncle was a witness to the Roswell incident. But what he described sounded like the craft was from our future. Fiber optics, flat panel display, Asian like symbols...etc.
     
  21. Reiku Banned Banned

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    He actually saw the debris? Fascinating.

    If they where like asian-like symbols, it be answered by saying that we actually knew them in our history... perhaps even influenced by them; in fact... let's go really crazy... they might be the angels spoken of in the Bible...

    I'm soooo glad this is in psuedoscience. But it all begs the question.

    As for time-travel, well... it seems unlikely... apart from the fact they would have to move at very high speeds and use as little energy as possible, because then time slows down for their reference.

    They could be actually moving at high enough speeds already. After inflation, the cosmos was left moving at differential speeds... This means that some galaxies are still moving at near light speed... and we live in a very slow part of the universe.
     
  22. kmguru Staff Member

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    Yes, he saw the debris. He was one of the firemen that arrived first at the scene. But the problem is, he made several statements that was over 35 years ago. Since we did not write down - the exact words are hard to remember. Only words that are interpreted was the bodies were children size, bundles of fishing line (fibre optics?) connected to flat TVs, unrecognizable circuit boards etc....

    My reason for saying they are from future is: that is the only fact that would make a government to keep it quiet so as not to upset the time line....whether time travel is possible and that alternate time lines can happen...that is just wild speculation.
     
  23. Reiku Banned Banned

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    You see... there is a problem.

    For a time traveller to move in time, it needs to be within a time that allows a time machine. This is known as the ''Information Paradox.'' It say's that until we are able to create machines of such capacity, we would only be able to move into the future...

    As for children sized, i remember this. I have a thought that the gravitation might be stronger, therego growth is lessened. Indeed, it's crazy speculation.

    However, the fibre optics and T.V -like devices are suspected i would have thought, in a mechanical body. You would need screen-like devices... for coordination, ect ect; as for the circuitry... well... as i have explained... our technology has boosted since that very day.
     

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