First TV Interview: The Pregnant Man

What about a mental defect or a hormone imbalance that leaves a man with the hormone levels the same as a women, why should he not be able to change to feel comfortable in his own body?

 

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Shi could you date someone that you knew was once a man?

 

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No, but thats a perSonal choice, just like the personal choice they made to become a women.

 

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(chortle!)

Gender reassignment surgery might well be a recent phenomenon, but gender diversity is ancient, and even mystical.

Something more biblical:

It seems that "God" has long been fashioning homosexuals among humans. Indeed, no society is exempt:

And if we stop to think about eunuchs, we might say that gender reassignment surgery is ancient, and only recently become more refined. Indeed, according to Burns, Middle Assyrian law prescribed that, "If a man has sex with his comrade ... [the accusers] shall have sex with him and turn him into a eunuch."

Quite clearly, gender-bending has a long history in society. I wonder if the ancients blamed it on modernity?
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Notes:

Conner, Randy P.L. "Men-Women, Gatekeepers, and Fairy Mounds." Parabola, Spring 2000.

Burns, John Barclay. "Devotee or Deviate: The 'Dog' (keleb) in Ancient Israel as a Symbol of Male Passivity and Perversion". Journal of Religion & Society. 2000. http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2000/2000-6.html

Reuters. "Afghan boy dancers sexually abused by former warlords". November 18, 2007. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSISL1848920071119

 

Kadark:

You should educate yourself on the history of human sexuality.

You sound like you just came out of a cave.

I've already given you two earlier references

Desiring Arabs by Joseph A. Massad

Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800

Here is one more; this is a rather frank appraisal of Eastern sexuality, so I should probably warn you about mature content.

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EDWARDES, ALLEN, THE JEWEL IN THE LOTUS. A historical survey of the sexual culture of the East.
London, Tandem Books, 1965. 2nd edition 272 pages

 

And you sound like a clueless bitch. Your point?

And I've already told you I'm not interested in reading them. Stop heckling me.

As soon as I can draw the connection from sexuality in the East to modern day gender changes, I will consider reading the book. I'm not discussing sexuality - I'm discussing physically changing one's given gender. Start reading what I say.

 

Then stop saying stuff like:

 

What does that have to do with anything? People in the past were never able to change their genders surgically like they are today. That's a known fact.

 

The women could not, but eunuchs are part and parcel of Eastern history

And today, the homosexuals in Iran undergo transgender operations since homosexuality is not permitted by transgender operations are.

 

Yeah, and I'm sure plenty of those same tribes sacrificed their kindred to the gods in hopes of a fruitful harvest. Doesn't mean a damn thing to me. Ancient, backward cultures don't (pardon, "shouldn't") have any influence on the decisions we make today.

o rly/?

How many of these "homosexuals" undergo transgender operations? Where is the evidence? Who said Iran's Republic somehow represented my individuality and outlooks?

 

We're talking Ottomans and Mughals here.

Look it up, its all over the net.

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The Ottomans encompassed a wide assortment of cultures. A few of them, unfortunately, never truly wanted to progress. Such idiots need to be reeducated, or simply left to devour one another. It's high time they got with the system - the system that disallows regular humans from becoming transgender freaks.

Hey, look, you can roll your eyes all you want, but at the end of the day, it's up to you to substantiate the claims you make. Of course, that still doesn't answer my question.

You're seriously telling me that you agree people should be able to surgically change their state of nature? We're living in scary times.

 

Where is this "system" defined?

Sure, I'm only glad I don't have to make such difficult choices to be happy. But I hate to think of a society where such a choice would be denied me by ill-informed neanderthals (though, it appears the neanderthals were more broad minded about such things)

 

The same system that has improved our status from lawless, unethical apes to civilized men.

The truly ill-informed neanderthals are the weak, expendable pieces of trash who cannot accept their God-given gender. They are the ones who ignore the plight of others, and obsessively focus on a natural component of their perfectly healthy and functional self. These are greedy, selfish, unstable, and dysfunctional people - they should be cleansed from society. Changing their gender will never satisfy them. Adding or removing genitals simply complicates the problem. It's truly sad that you show such approval to transgender operations, but it is possible that ye love a thing which is bad for you, and dislike a thing which is good for you.

 

I'll have to revise my notions about Turkish progressiveness.

Clearly the Ottoman outlook is a thing of the past.

 

Perhaps you should first look at the "progressiveness" of your jungle countrymen. There isn't much that separates the average person in your snake hole from wild animals.

 

I heard he started life a women and had a had a sex change. But this story did start on the 1st of April!

 

Notes for Kadark

I find a conflict between your advice to S.A.M. that you're not interested in reading the references she provides and the demand that she provide references for what can be easily found via a search engine. In other words, when you're interested in looking it up, you can. For instance, here are some links you probably won't want to read, found through Google with the search phrase Iran transgender operation:

(1) Harrison, Frances. "Iran's sex-change operations". BBC News. January 5, 2005. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4115535.stm

(2) Mangez, Caroline. "Iran's Transsexual Revolution". (The Independent) Truthout.org. November 13, 2005. http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/35/15513

(3) Nasseri, Ladane. "Iran Sex Changes Get Mullahs' Money as Regime Persecutes Gays". Bloomberg. Updated February 5, 2008. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aKyg7EZs.8hA​

And nobody said Iran somehow represents your individuality and outlook. But that's the point: your outlook is yours and yours alone. You cannot blame your ignorance and hatred on anything or anyone but yourself. Not religion, not history, not anything but your own corruption.

 

You can say that again!!! I don't think perfectly healthy ppl should be able to go in and change their gender. I tell you, everyone that i have talked to about this particular pregnant man, also thinks he is a FREAK!

Just because there might be a few here on this forum who think it is perfectly ok (which I still can't beleive) I would have to say the majority of ppl out there do no think this is perfectly ok and will not accept it.

 

Obviously he's a woman living his life as a man.