Child Beauty Pageants

If that is your take on what I said :bugeye: I think they are trying to relive something through their daughters lives that they missed out on themselves.
Otherwise they wouldn't be pressuring them so much. Some of these ppl go into debt just to keep them in this crap. The mothers just won't give up the dream. Whose dream? the 4 or 5 yr old? I don't think so those kids are just happy to go outside and play.

All I said is I wonder if it is a coincidence that 3/4 of them are ugly but they are pushing so hard for their daughters to be the next target on some
pedophiles list.

 

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I appreciate the thread shorty. I tried to read all of it, but quickly realized that SAM was here doing her usual dance, so I skipped to the end.

In short, the whole idea of dressing up an eight year old to look like an adult is perverse and obscene, and the people who participate in these shows on any level are perverts. There's a huge difference in putting a little bit of makeup on a pre-teen because she's in a dance recital, and airbrushing her face and skin to make her into a lilliputian Pamela Anderson. If you can't see the difference, you're a sick bastard, and you need therapy.

I still read the paper from the little redneck town I grew up in, and they eat this shit up. There's some kind of baby show, or pre-teen beauty pageant going on there just about every other week. Having grown up there, I recognize the names of a lot of the parents. They were the sluts in high school who achieved their highest level of social stature at 15 because they developed early, boys noticed, and they gave it up early and often. Now they're pimping out their own little girls to try and relive that one time in their life when they were at the top of the food chain. It's disgusting.

On a guy level, it's no different than seeing the guys I went to high school with who were jocks that are hanging on to past glory. (Hell, I was a jock too, but I got over it.) They play in civic leagues and church leagues, and they brag on message boards about how they dominated over the weekend at some church league softball game. Then they go on to brag about how their kid is playing QB in the pop warner league, and they got him down on the sidelines at an NFL game, blah, blah, blah. Same shit, different gender.

People need to grow the hell up.

 

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I see that at least sam and oreleander don't understand that males are visual creatures first and foremost, and that the kinds of visual signals presented by these girls are the same ones women use to attract males sexually. I think it's reprehensible on the part of parents and society to encourage such things.

 

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Are you claiming that males being visual creatures mean they are unable to exert any self control on their dicks around naked five year olds?

 

When a society is sickened by itself, disgusted by its own excesses of selfishness and greed, it invariably resorts to myth-making. Believing a lie is much easier than facing the truth. This is the present condition of the USA - a syphillitic giant going blind and oozing death fluids from its genitals. In the USA's present state of insanity anybody exhibiting the slightest degree of physical health will be elevated by the diseased masses. Because the USA is so sickly and impotent, it requires the most beautiful, the most perfected, the most artificial body types to stimulate its abscessed genitalia to arousal.

However, because of its national dementia, Americans no longer find an adult body attractive. Looking at an adult is too much like looking into a mirror. The ideal type must be in a child's body or in a replica of a child's body. Hence the current madness of eating disorders and cosmetic surgeries. Any woman so skinny as to resemble a girl or any man skillful at a boy's game will be lusted after and revered.

 

The way I see it, the mothers are probably vain, misguided and as such ambitious women usually are, uncaring of what the children themselves want in hope of getting reflected glory. I would call them stupid, illiterate and vainglorious.

But sexualising the children? Is there any evidence of such an intent?

 

Yeah she has a hard time sticking to the topic at hand

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The thing is these little girls that I posted pictures of were only 4-6 yrs old, not even 8 as you suggested. I think it makes it
even more sickening. My youngest son 7 saw the one pictures in the OP of Jon Benet. He said why does that kid have so much makeup on, she wears tons more than you. I said how old do you think she is? He said I don't know 11? 12? I said no she is 6! He even finds it wrong and he is only 7 himself. So I don't understand why an adult just has no clue, and thinks this is totally acceptable.

 

And? How is this an intent of sexualisation? As a model, is [she] wrong in how models are treated? As commodities that are discarded when their looks reach an expiration date? She's teaching her children what she learned from experience and IMO, probably thinks an early start will give them a longer run.

:shrug:

I'd not expect a model to think like a lawyer or an academician.

 

To you perhaps, but shes not living your life, is she? Models are not disturbed by or conscious of nudity and tend to view their bodies as commodity after some time, not as a sex object. No doubt, in her own mind, she is merely enhancing the value of her daughters prospects. I find her statements very telling:

"Looks are everything. No one is going to talk to you if you are ugly. If you've got it, flaunt it."

Clearly she believes she is maximising her daughters defences against possible rejection by subjecting her to intensive beauty regimes. She is entirely misguided, in my opinion, but does that make her a pimp? More to be pitied than censured, surely. Does attacking such a one with allegations of sexualisation provide any resolution?

 

Perfect example of recent threads dealing with truth and the appearance of truth. Orleander picked her photos scrupulously—no plastic smiles beaming with nascent arrogance.

Of course, but these kids are also being subjugated to don the wiles of modern adult, sexually active, professional women. The funny thing though, if one ignores the disgust, is how gimmickry and cheap these "props" end up looking on the backs of young delicate girls—another truth revealed from a different perspective, perhaps, and quite different from Orleander's "natural look" of kids simply dressed up as kids.

 

I won a beauty pagent for girls ages 3-6. And I didn't even wear make-up. Thats mostly because I hated having gunk on my face. I hated it like I hated sitting in Santa Claus' lap in the mall, but I wouldn't say i was sexualized. I think that its terrible that these mother's try to live vicariously thru their daughters. Although I think all parents do this to some extent if your child is miserable you might be overdoing it just a little.

 

anyone remember Jodi Foster in Taxi Driver? Or Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby?

 

has anyone here been to a child's dance recital? They wear skimpy costumes and lots of makeup as well. They can also go to dance competitions and win money and trophies.

Do pedophiles really want children looking like adults? I thought that was part of being sexually attracted to kids, is that they are kids. I mean, if these pageants are a breeding ground for pedophiles, wouldn't we hear more than the one Jon-Benet case?
Wouldn't it be easier to go to the beach than competitions, where you have to sign in?

 

Its interesting how much that quote says about your thoughts, rather than those of the mothers or children.

 

the first girl has her boobs showing and the girls in the second pic are wearing make-up, hair done, and gowns.

 

I have already proved numerous times from pictures, and video links that most of these little girls are miserable behind the scenes. They are pressured to suck it up though and put on the biggest grin when they hit the stage. This is not just once, twice a month thing. They are pressured to do this almost every weekend in some cases. A 4-5 yr old child has no big DREAM to become a model or a beauty Queen. That is the dream of the mothers. If children are that miserable doing something that is your DREAM don't you think you should give it up and let your child just be a kid, and let them enjoy their childhood the way they want to.

The whold thing is abusive. As far as pedophiles go, they all have different fantasies about children that is true. Some find a little girl prancing around like a grown woman particuliarly enticing.

Orleander has openly said many times she was with some sexual deviant. I find it very
strange that she would even ask why pedophiles would be attracted to such a thing.

Sure pedophiles could go to the beach, playground or wherever and snap pictures or take video of a small child. But it isn't quite the same i would think as watching a runway show from little girls that are blowing kisses, acting all flirty for the audience,
and are dressed and moving in a sexualized manner.

 

I would imagine a beauty pageant would be less available to a pedophile than a park, plus the amount of attention these mothers give their children, I would say the chances of a pedophile getting close to them would be next to nil

Orleanders sexual experience has nothing to do with what a pedophile wants. I don't believe your sexual experience gives you any insight into how a pedophile thinks either. Does it?