Thus speaketh the sage of the ages. The Geneva Convention was respected, that is why the tribunals at GITMO, to determine status. Tribunals can be used to determine status. Third Geneva Convention Article IV. until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal. But then liberals, decided that every T, had to be dotted, and every I, crossed, and slowed the proceedings with pleading after pleading to the civilian courts. And from the World Court. Celebici Judgment Tells you something, those Countries, have their own security agencies, and I wonder what they know that you don't. Now, if they are so sure that the U.S. is wrong, why haven't they taken those prisoners? Excuses.....Excuses.....Excuses.....Excuses.....Excuses.....Excuses..... No, they just returned to Jihad, only this time they were properly taken care of.
You vastly underestimate American stupidity. Out of the 700 or so detainees, only six will be tried (so far), based on "information" or "confessions" obtained from torture. Which means, for every one they will "try", they have tortured a 100 more. Already the ratio of those that will be tried to those that "returned" to terrorism (after being released for lack of evidence even following four to five years of torture), is 1:6 Kurnaz has the right idea: They should ALL publish their memoirs. Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo There are comparable books, of course. I recommend Night by Elie Wiesel for the Nazi regime and A Day In The Life of Ivan Denisovitch by Alexander Solzhenityn for the communist gulags.
The accounts from the more recent South American anti-terrorist campaigns are interesting in the growing similarity of what they describe to the current American operations, over the years. "Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number" (Jacobo Timmerman) talks about the emphasis on sexual humiliation and isolation, for example. Too late - they have already (as of years ago) been declared "enemy combatants" and denied POW status without a tribunal, and have been tortured and abused since in violation of Geneva's strictures on prisoner treatment. If you wanted to respect Geneva now, honor it in the breach as they say, you would have to indict (under international law) and try for war crimes the perpetrators. The Hague would be the normal venue. Just paraphrasing the public statements of various W&Co representatives. That's what they said they were going to do, that's what they've been doing. They know better than to describe what Gitmo inmates went through as "frat boy pranks", and they know better than to underestimate the effects of such treatment on the physical health (expensive) and the mental state (a desire for revenge is not unheard of) of its victims.
Asguard: Dude, I am not trying to be a dick. But please, fuckin' make an effort to spell right! Check the bold for all the things you mispell. It's absurd how many mistakes are there! Come on! This is a textual medium! This action is not terrorism - it is not directed at the State. Not terrorism again. Not terrorism unless they are doing so as an act against the State. Are they? Is the fact they are Moslems incidental? Or are they crying "Allahu Ackbar! JIhaddddddd! Kill the Great Satan" while they do it?
Actually word got out in Afghanistan that people turning in terrorists would be paid. Oddly enough many of the incredibly poor people who turned in other people did this for the money. One way you can see this is likely - if common sense did not already make one suspicious and just imagine how much YOUR lawyer would kick up a fuss if that's how you were designated criminal - is by how many people have been sent home quietly and without fanfare. Why quietly and without fanfare? because it is embarrassing. You may somehow think that it serves your interests to have us all get used to this kind of injustice. Me, I think that is part of the point. To get us used to it. Likewise the flying people to other countries to torture them. And so on. For all I know it does somehow serve your interests, but then you are not an average citizen. You are someone who years for fascism. If not, you might be more concerned about a bunch of BS with functional wheels like this has had.
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You mean American troops would bomb Americans for five years and declare "we don't do body counts" just to win the war on terrorrrrz?
How do you not know this? And if there was any evidence why are they being, in general, sent home without any sort of trial? Whom? The reason they are being sent off quietly is because they was very little evidence. I have no idea if they are guilty or how many are. But approving, knee jerk of a process like this is inviting the same treatment later yourself? What makes you think they are terrorists? What evidence do you have of that? Did you get that off the telly? Why was no military tribunal interested in using this evidence that you are so certain exists?
i find it highly suspisious that the goverment couldnt trust the regular courts on this Could it be because the evidence is suspect and nonexistant and if the TRUE courts looked at it the goverment would be laughed out of court?
Oh, bull shit. Only in violation of your own dainty sense of Darwinist competition. Watching your lace panties knot is more sport than you've ever known. We have the power to incarcerate them. And the power to free them. You possess neither power. You're just a spectator. You'll need different natural skill sets to be an actual playa.
And the power to grab as many as you need to beat up on, because someone who looks something like they do killed some of "we"? How many Iraqi lawyers, judges, police or government workers have been freed by you guys after you beat them up for being terrorists, for a few years, but let them go because they were just average joes after all.
They're medically expensive and psychologically unstable, for starters. They come out unable to hold jobs, with chronic psychiatric, neurological, and musculo-skeletal problems, and at least a few of them politically radicalized. Would you take them if you didn't have to ? Whether any terrorists actually went into Gitmo is unknown, but for sure some are coming out. They bankrupted and destroyed Germany in the process of losing a major war they started themselves, got their asses kicked on the battlefield by the forces of a Soviet Union that still farmed with ox-drawn plows, evicted the core of their intellectual, scientific, and technological dominance to their competitors, and turned the foremost industrial innovator and manufacturing power in the world into a non-player on six of the seven continents. If the Americans hadn't stepped in toward the end, the Nazi war-waging would have managed to reduce the Kaiser's Germany to a Russian colony in about eight years. The notable mastery of the Nazis was in propaganda. To this day people are convinced they got the trains to run on time, think stultifying and obsessive bureaucracy is something the Nazis scorned, and can watch soldiers goose-step without getting the giggles.
You haven't been grabbed. You're not relevant to much of anything important. Bark, jackal. The caravan will pass without further comment.
