George W Bush Authorized 911 Attacks Says Government Insider

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Asguard, Jul 6, 2008.

  1. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    LOL. Right. Whatever.

    Tonkin, which happened in a much less media-friendly age, took longer to get outted, but outted it was. Iran-Contra was kept secret, what? A few months? Or did you miss the Washington Post stories by Bob Woodward?
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Aside from the lefty press, Tonkin was kept out of the spotlight until well after the end of the war, maybe 17 years, and not well explained until the declassification of some documents in what, '94 ? Something like 30 years late.

    Reagan's clandestine weapons dealings with Iran started (as far as we know) with negotiations re Carter's albatross hostages before the election, in 1979, and came to include the Contras in '83 or early '84 (funding for the Contras already a scandal by then for other reasons, although not much in the respectable headlines). IIRC Woodward's finest kind investigative reporting came out in the wake of a couple of major headline incidents over the years (Hasenfus crash, etc) and after an article in a Lebanese newspaper in '86 detailing some Israeli involvement - typical cutting edge "respectable" media as we have come to know it in the US: at least three years late, incomplete, having overlooked the obvious, and scooped by the world.

    Reagan, having cruised to electoral victory in '84 without encountering much media trouble from the BS in his basement, was still denying things well into 1987, without fear of firm public contradiction - things readers of the lefty stuff had been taking for granted for years.

    "Almost virtually as they happened" ?
     
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  5. superstring01 Moderator

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    My bad.

    Like I said, Holt stopped it. Nothing was done.

    And, No, I don't think that you should be thankful for the USA in that matter. It's horrific that there were people trying to make this happen. The Australian government should have exposed this the moment it happened and embarrassed the hell out of those politicians who were pressuring the Holt government into allowing the tests.

    ~String
     
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  7. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    The "official" investigation only came after much stonewalling by the administration. Even the impartial, bipartisan**

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    investigation is much complained about.

    Remember when Gee W finally agreed to meet off-record with those people?

    Last time I checked, most of the debris from the entire mess was hastily sold as scrap. Obviously, case closed.



    **overused word that's apparently meant to excite people and denote unbiased objectivity in politics
     
  8. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    You know darned well that the authorities conspired to present the Kennedy assassination as the work of a lone gunman firing at his back, despite they knew his brains had been blown out of the back of his head by a shot from the opposite direction. People who suggested Oswald did not act alone were given a bad time and denounced as nutters. Then the Zapruder film came to light . . .

    There is practically nothing the CIA will not do -- but I don't automatically believe "the CIA dunnit".

    When I am presented with a "conspiracy theory" I will try to evaluate it intelligently. History suggests that that theory will sometimes become the accepted mainstream explanation. Skepticism should be a two-sided coin.
     
  9. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    The Loose Change Documentary has allot more material evidence then 911 commission report has. They didn't even investigate WTC7! So how in the F*ck does anyone know what really happened on that day. Even the 911 commission members said that they were lied to by the Pentagon and the FAA.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14191255/


    It's not impossible to pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude. Everyone doesn't have to be involved. Government personal aren't aware if what they're doing is illegal or conspiratorial. Take the recent incident where the Air-force bombers were incorrectly loaded with Nuclear wepaons. That's a much bigger threat, and security lapse then 911. The problem is, someone gave that order, someone went through the painstaking procedures of getting the clearance to even access those nuclear weapons. And you know what, no alarm bells went off, no body stood up and said I'm not going to participate in this illegal action that led to the firing of 2 high ranking Generals.
     
  10. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

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    The Paradox of Bush: A man who by many accounts is believe to be too stupid to speak in complete sentences, but is also credited with having orchestrated one of the greatest cover-ups in history.

    Troofers, you need to pick one or the other. This idea of him being a combination of Dr. Evil and Mongo is just not working out.
     
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You don't have to be smart to be evil.
     
  12. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    That's not what he was implying.


    Hey, 15ofthe19!
    It's been a while. Good to read you.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    When you put lots of effort into promoting wildly improbable and unnecessary conspiracies around 9/11, you abet the concealment of the actual conspiracies involved.

    Right now Alex Jones is one of the biggest obstacles we have to launching an actual investigation of W&Co's role in the events of 9/11.
     
  14. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    This is not new information. It has been obvious from the beginning that the towers were bombed, and no airplane ever crashed in Virginia or the Pentagon. It has always been clear that 911 was an attack on the USA by the USA.
     
  15. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    How so? Why don't 'you' just do it. AJ is a crackpot, no? Are you giving him undue respect or something?

    Say what you mean, man.
     
  16. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    Virginia? wth?
     
  17. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    And what role would that be?
     
  18. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Exploitation.
     
  19. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Assuming I agree, that's after the fact. Ice wrote of W&Co's role "in the events of 9/11," which sounds contemporaneous.
     
  20. Balerion Banned Banned

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    The Loose Change folks also show that they don't do all their homework on simple subjects. They pointed to the fact that one of the airlines installed devices on their planes a couple of years ago to make cell phone usage dependable as proof that none of the calls on 9/11 could have occurred. Even if these guys do have some information of value, you have to question all of it based on the filmmaker's proven lack of attention to detail. They don't even bother to learn that cell phone calls WERE absolutely able to be made before the devices were installed, it is just that the signals weren't steady or dependable. But they didn't even bother to look that up, or test it for themselves, which means that you have to question ALL of their claims.

    But I think String is getting a bit out of line here. There's no reason to call Asguard names, or to act so hostile toward him for putting up a post. We are entitled to question our government about EVERYTHING, and a lot of people don't feel we have gotten enough answer in regards to 9/11. So back off the guy, already.
     
  21. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, that's why I stopped providing links to his site and refrained from referencing anything he's said to support anything I'm debating. There were allot of rumors circulating that Alex Jones is a disinformation agent working with the Mossad. If you look at any of his Documentaries you'll notice he never implicates Israel in anything. And no self respecting conspiracy theorist would exclude the Mossad in any conspiracy regarding middle eastern affairs.
     
  22. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Dude, that's backwards thinking. You could say the same thing about anyone who raises questions. How is a guy raising questions an obstacle? That's nonsense.
     
  23. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Alex Jones is the face of the 911 truth movement. Even though I agree with allot of questions he raises, he totally comes off like a crack pot whenever he appears on a mainstream media channel. When he appeared on CNN's showbiz tonight, debating the 911 topic, he came off like a total crackpot. He didn't articulate his talking points in a controlled an concise manner. He was practically shouting, and aggressively rabble rousing instead of precisely addressing the inconsistencies of the official story. Anyone who was a neutral viewer would of been immediately thrown off and instantly classify him as just another nutjob. He wasn't doing the truth movement any favors by blowing one the few chances the movement has to voice it's concerns on a mainstream media channel.
     

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