It looks like georgie has done it again with Georgia!

Discussion in 'World Events' started by joepistole, Aug 15, 2008.

  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think the United States as ever had a president so inept in virtually so many arenas. Why did georgie not see the Georgia crisis coming? Was this another intelligence failure? Was it a failure of the intelligence agencies or junior's intelligence? Why are we still preouccpied with Iraq?

    Was it not junior who said that Russia and the United States were buddies just a few months ago? Was it not he who looked into Putin's soul and saw a good man? Was it not he who conveyed the notion to Putin that he was a spolied brat whimp acting as a leader. So that Putin could have his way with him?

    How is georgie going to screw up Georgia? He has about six months left in office. How much more damage can georgie do between now and then?
     
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  3. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    *Headline* ' Georgia's been invaded!'

    Bush looks around, checks his belt is still secure.." Nope, everythings in order, have to get up oilier in de mornin' t'invade ma ass!"
     
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  5. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Does an oil pipeline passing through your country count as having oil?
    If so, JawJaw is due for some WarWar. You heard it first here.

    Have been absent for a while due to following a snail round my garden.
    Nearly caught him.
     
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  7. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    The answer to that is a resounding yes, and it's a major reason for Russia invading.
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I am afraid, Putin has caught georgie with his pants down. And I am afraid his tepid responses thus far indicate he will sell out the Georgians to Putin alternatively he could botch a Georgia rescue.
     
  9. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if Republicans STILL support Georgie porgie? I mean, what's their excuse now. "The president can't be expected to know about everything now ....."

    GW will go down in history as the worse president of all time.

    I'm wondering what Cheney is thinking? "Hooo boy, more freebees for Halliburton..."
     
  10. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    A chunk of north Georgia seceded from the nation almost as soon as they seceded from the crumbling USSR. Georgia wants it back under their control since, after all, it is still down on their maps as a part of their territory and to this day tends to spit out the odd terrorist incident. Russia has been using it as something of a buffer state and has been funding and equipping the secessionists who, oddly enough, would like to go back to being Russians. Georgia makes the first move and kills 1500 civilians in the first hour or so without a second thought. Russia, having massed troops for months and having used Ossetia as a lure, responds by literally peppering whole sweeps of the nation with bombs... and plainly ignores the ceasefire they agree to.

    Which side was America supposed to join in on? I can't tell.
    And, for that matter, why should we join in? I can perceive no possible benefit for the United States regardless of how we play our cards.
     
  11. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, this has nothing to do with the U.S. Probably best to keep it that way. Not everything is Bush's fault. (But he is a moron - established.)
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Georgia has a lot of US "advisers" and the like with vague roles in its military, police, and economic policy centers. More PNAC stuff, from the look of it - setting up the fire sale.

    So Russia taking that hamburger out of the dog's dish is doing something kind of interesting.
     
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Which is going to come first.
    Departure of Bush or WWIII?

    Can someone assassinate him soon, please?

    (Note from CIA official. Above remark has been judged hyperbole, and poster is not to be extraordinarily renditioned. If he ever tries to enter USA, send him on next plane home. Remove this comment before publication)
     
  14. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Gee, I swear I find those notes on my blog all the time.
     
  15. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    the US as the world number 1 democracy needs to get behind Georgia in 100%. all those anti Americans trying to make it look like as if the US is the world biggest problem just ate their hats as Russia proved they are dangerous as ever and they crave for their lost power and pride.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I would not joke about stuff like that.
     
  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I agree SAM. It is illegal even to joke about such things in the United States. You could have a some folks from the Secret Service knocking on your door soon. As they do patrol cyberspace for potential threats to the president. I would recommend issuing an apology and retraction as soon as possible.

    The problem is not Georgia. The problem is all of the former Soviet States that remain. If Russian actions are allowed to stand in Georgia, then what is to stop Russia from moving into other former client states under a similar excuse? That is the real threat. It is somewhat similar to Hitler and the neighboring states he invaded. Does the world give a green light to Russia for this kind of action or does it stand against this kind of flagrant violation of international law?

    Should former Soviet client states be living in a state of fear? Can the Europeans trust Russian sources of oil? Will the Russians use their control over oil to bring Europe to its knees? Will Europe be able to resist Russia. Will Russia eventually dominate Europe because of its military power and control over oil?

    I think it is very clear, we have do get away from oil as being our dominate energy source not only for environmental reasons but also for political reasons. If the Russian action is allowed to stand we are looking at a dangerous remilitarization of Europe and another cold war that could easily get hot.
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    This proves the US is so ineffectual, that it will be impossible to do anything militarily towards Iran. Russia is an ally of Iran, and we cannot take on Russia. If we had any influence with Russia, we would have prevented them invading Georgia.
     
  19. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    arent the russians depend on the US? they owe the US money too dont they?
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The United States should have know about this issue and should have been prepared for it, but we were not. That is a clear and present fault of the Bush II government. Second, the United States should have been taking a more direct leadership roll in organizing and mobilizing the European states especially the former Soviet Client States. That has not happened, in fact, NATO has been allowed to lapse into a shadow of its former self. That too is a burden that can and should be placed at the feet of george junior. And this has been unfortunately proven in Afganistan.

    Finally, instead of paying lip service to an energy policy for these last seven years, junior should have been doing something about it...effecting an energy policy that would reduce world dependence on oil. But he has unfortunately done essentially nothing with energy policy; other than giving incredibly large tax breaks to the oil and gas industry special interests.

    So now the United States is in a very bad position. This is just a piece of the incredible burden/mess the next president is going to inherit from georgie. Given the mess, I am really suprised someone wants to step in and be the next president. But I am grateful that we do have individuals willing to bear the burden. I just hope they are up the the challenge.

    And I think those that brought us georgie II should be very, very ashamed of themselves.
     
  21. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    Russia is considering arming its Baltic fleet with nuclear warheads for the first time since the cold war, senior military sources warned last night.

    The Russians have already indicated that they may point nuclear missiles at western Europe from bases in Kaliningrad and Belarus. They are also said to be thinking of reviving a military presence in Cuba.


    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4547883.ece

    WTF is wrong with this guys? they want a second cold war?

    if they want to commit suicide they can jump off a building instead of dragging the rest of us into this.
     
  22. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Great.. what happened to finding out whether he had the means or the motives to do such things?

    Whats more shocking is Australia has no garuntee of free speech.
     
  23. oiram Registered Senior Member

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    Oh as if owing the USA money will cause them to stop and think before they do something stupid, “Highly illogical Captain”…. And their actions just showed the word they are not dependant on anyone…
     

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