I love living in a 'patriarchy'

How about Catherine de' Medici?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_de'_Medici#Queen_of_France

Crying Uncle yet, James?

 

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What could women do in a patriarchal Russia? Ask Catherine the Great...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_II_of_Russia

 

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Don't forget Isabella I of Spain:

http://womenshistory.about.com/cs/medrenqueens/p/p_isabella_i.htm

I especially like how she played a major role in getting the Jews out of Spain. Smart woman!

 

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MH noticed you havent commented on my post

 

if a father has custody of the children the "child support agency" will make an order for the mother to pay, if she defualts then the money is taken from her wages or benifits, there is nothing unfair about that, however the same goes for the father if he defaults they will chase him in the same way, the "child support agency" was designed to be fair on both mothers and fathers. Don't get me wrong the child support agency is far from perfect, it never will be, but its better than the custody perant waiting for money to go into they're bank accounts, and there is nothing they can do if it doesnt.

Also why shouldn't adsent fathers pay for they're kids, likewise so should the women aswell.

The fathers can also fight in court to see they're kids (so can mothers) but if the courts think the mum or dad unfit they will award custody to the decent perant, allbeit the mum or dad, dads do have the same rights to see they're kids all they have to do is fight for that, ok there have been cases where the mother disapeers with the kids (i have a male friend that has happened to) and it can take a long time to know where she has taken them, but it is not impossible for them to track them down, all they have to do is if they think they know where they might bem go and see the records for that town, you are allowed to do that has long as you have made prior arrangments with the certain town.

If you want to see your kids then all you have to do is fight, if they courts see you has unfit they will order supervised visits and the perant with the custody if they default on that arrangment they could face a court order and even a fine.

 

yea its easy as long as they arnt in witness protection or dont have there address listed on the electrol roll you can get a copy of that from any of the state libaries quite easerly

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if you want to see your kids bad enough then you will fight for that right.

Also the child support agency will allways be able to trace you because they work closely with benifit agencys and certain other agencys, so unless your willing to disapeer from life they will always be able to trace you, it may take them time but they'll find you

 

They only track you down if you are a male, and they only fight to let you see your kids if you are female.

 

Sometimes it is useful to ask some questions when considering these matters which tend to elicit very emotional responses, strawmen (and women!) and spurious comparisons.

In societies where there are strict gender roles and divisions of labour what are the benefits and to whom do they belong?

Or to put it a slightly different way: in a society where strict gender roles and divisions of labour are observed what might be lost and what gained?

Here's another one: What might be the unintentional benefits or unitentional costs in the observance of strict gender roles and divisions of labour?

 

Most women don't want to have their cake and eat it - they have to.
In the 'observance of strict gender rules' women would be married off at the age of sixteen for their fathers to shift the burden.

Your statistic about single mothers not working that many hours - do you think it would be possible for them too?

 

So exactly how is it possible for single fathers to work that many hours?

Are women too weak and pathetic to be able to do the same things that the man does?

Or is it that single mothers don't need to work very often because the state both gives them benifits and hunts down fathers that don't pay their child support while the single fathers are told by the state to fuck off and get a job?

 

It would appear the Muslims here have yet to enter the twentieth-century, let alone the twenty-first.

Medieval mindsets, based on immoral cults, that believe women are not people who can do most anything men can do, are of the same mindsets women should ONLY be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. And, one may have several 'models' of women available for his entertainment and to do with whatever his whim would suggest.

Chattel, women are not.

 

Yeah, women should be verbally abused at every opportunity, thats the current modern paradigm.

 

Vlech. I don't want protection and I don't want a provider. An equal who I can have a relationship with, yes. A provider who'll look after me as if I'm a child? Vom-mit.

As for the absent father thing. I know there's all this rhetoric being thrown around, but the cliche of the wronged father and the difficult mother is far from reality. Most times when I've seen that situation happen in real people's lives, it was because of his own asshole behaviour. The courts are not the enemy. They don't keep fathers away from their kids for no reason.

 

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A 1988 poll doesn't reflect 20 years of change.

 

I wonder if these statistics say anything about the inequality of pay and professional opportunity for men and women.
Just a thought.

 

You must admit, America seems to have changed...
This year you had a black guy and a white girl running for president. An old-man considering a Jew and a Mormon for V.P.

Many ceiling have been broken right there.

 

If you want something to change you need to fight for it. The fact that more women receive support than men does show the mind set of a patriarchy. That women should always have the kids no matter what. Its their job to look after them. And if a man has his kids it should be because there is something wrong with the mother and he should be able to support them all regardless. Of course this isn't the case it's just how most people feel on the subject.

 

How can the "patriarchy" be consistent with those numbers? Norsefire explains it all.

The truth is that the double standards do sometimes work in favor of the oppressed. Women, disproportionately as compared to men, do not have to kill spiders, open tightly sealed jars and, because of what we as a society expect of them, there is less stigma attached to their not working or not working enough to support themselves. all of those numbrers

The other side would (should) argue that getting that "fabulous" package of benefits is great, but not worth the lower salaries (which in part might explain why women are less motivated to work), the belief by some that women need "protection" because (like children) they cannot care for themselves, the increased risk of sexual harassment, etc.