Kosher cell phones - when your religion makes you a cretin

Well to clarify a few things for you to not lose as much respect. Haredi neighborhoods are not ran by the mainstream rabbinical council. A Hasidic foundation created in the 1500's created an Orthodox dichotomy that used to diverge much greater than it does commonly today.

The rabbis they follow live in dynasties which made no sense considering the pre-Hasidism laws, and these dynasties really laid the foundation for what much of Haredi would become. Nearly all of the great Rabbis in history with very very few exceptions the only notable the 'Maharal', were disagree-ers (Misnagdim) to the hassidic movement. Nearly all of them; and the great Rabbis today alive are not hasidic in the strict sense that these people are. They carry many of the customs of it, but they don't condone the behaviour of these exclusive communities.

In fact; it's gotten so bad with certain movements that the mainstream rabbinical councils have made it forbidden to pray with them. This actually only being laid down no less than 6 years ago. Which really just reinforces the almost forgotten laws laid down 500 years ago. Many of these Haredi's live in an adolescent state...but that's all I desire to say on the topic.

What I want to reinforce; this form of Haredi can only very very lightly be found in certain parts of NY as far as 'outside Israel' goes.

 

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You are exactly right in everything you say. No one need respond with anything but total acceptance of your opinions and thoughts as you express them.

You are the most intelligent person in the world, probably and I think all posts should be dropped with the exception of your own so that everyone could find enlightenment from your God-like words of wisdom.

 

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Its hard to explain. The logic behind "forgiving" that governer, for example, is that since there is not enough evidence to bring him in, we might as well give him another chance to see if he does better. And he has, he's abandoned his radical stance and helped turn the economy of the state around. This is a state that has seen much poverty and famine in the last 60 years and people are relieved to be able to get drinking water and food, so they can overlook the massacres as the vagaries of power. They haven't forgotten it though, they are simply giving him the opportunity to make up for it. Its the kind of thing you expect Indians to do. After all, he is "one of our own" is an entrenched mentality in the people.

American soldiers targeting civilians is entirely different. If the US ever manages to get India embroiled in their nonsense, you'll see the difference in attitude immediately. For all our much vaunted nonviolence, we can be a very violent people and if the west thinks martyrdom in the middle east is a problem, they have no idea what they are missing out on in Indians.

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Yeah, India is not a punishment oriented society. Most Indians prefer a resolution to the issue instead. Unfortunately, we are becoming "westernised" and hence have a greater and greater tendency to want to inflict retribution on people. I don't see this as a good sign. Retribution is never a good basis for society.

Its the other side of the coin of tolerance and I can understand why the Haredi are facing that same problem with their extremist elements. Its also the same reason why the Saudis tolerate their mutawwas.

 

Your advice is so valuable to me. I eagerly await any advice you can provide, Oh wise one. Your insight is extremely valuable and worth more than all the treasures of the world combined. Your opinion is absolute truth. No one should ever dare to disagree with one so pure and full of wisdom. Each day, I shall eagerly await your latest declarations of all-knowing, all-wise, blessed statements of truth. I'm truly a blessed person to be guided so personally by one so wise, honest and forthcoming with knowledge.

Please, tarry no more with contact with my lowly self. Bless all of the members here with more wisdom from the fountain of omnipresent knowledge that you and only you can have. Please, wipe your feet on me. Use me to step upon in your quest to educate the masses. I consider myself blessed when allowed to read your wise and impressive statements of absolute fact.

Thank you, Oh thank you for your thoughtful and generous allowance of educating observance.

I feel so much better now that you've helped me understand how wrong I was to argue with you.

 

Yeah, because you're not Indian. Look at how we dealt with the assassination of our Prime Minister by militants from Sri Lanka. We accepted we should not have got involved and signed a peace treaty with them. Do you think we should have invaded and occupied Sri Lanka instead?

Thats the heart of the difference between your society and mine. You see every act as a crime that is to be reckoned with, I don't. If people accept that they did wrong and amend their ways, there is no reason to keep ill will against them. Punishing them won't change the past.

If someone attacked my family, I would want to kill them too. But if there were extenuating circumstances [insanity, mass hysteria of rioting, etc] I would see no benefit to seeing them punished if they would make it up in some way that would be beneficial to me or society. The concept of "closure" and "payback" is very western.

Thats very Indian too. Its why the sepoy was crushed so mercilessly by the British. We have no respect for authority.

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That has nothing to do with retribution, its a failing attempt to sustain the caste system, which has degraded a great extent from the original varana system.

Thats a law and order problem. Not a Haredi problem.

 

Hmm...... it seems religion should burn in Hell!!!!


To polarized....


And listen I do not care if someone can build a f-ing atomic bomb out of a toilet, if you are not trying to fight religion your a pervert.

 

Typical SAM, taking a word, and getting the meaning completely wrong.

The concept of 'a Haredi neighbourhood' is religious persecution. They are free to believe in whatever nonsense they want, but their rights end where another's begin, and they should be mindful of that. Their beliefs only bind themselves.

 

Yup, totally agree.