QWC's niche

HI quantum wave I like your theory I have no problem with it. Maybe time it self is a construct of mass which could account for the duality for finite time within an infinate time frame.

Here is a thought.
In relativity terms, energy expiences no time dimention or 0 and infinate time untill the quanta of energy peeks to form a possitive partical and a negative partical in the vaccum of space (the background quanta of energy) which then anilate each other, this action could be thought of as the feed back loop of the singularity to explain the speed of light is the speed of light. Which is infact a back ground energy hot spot that doesnt have enough energy potential to form mass.

 

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It is true that finite time and an infinite time frame present a circumstance for thought experiments like that. For example relative movement causes time dilation. Relativistic mass increases are necessary to conserve momentum. Special circumstances that can exist to dilate time are why Einstein came up with relativistic mass increases to conserve momentum when time dilation occurs. But in QWC we can generally say that time simply passes.


Space and time are not coupled in QWC as they are in General Relativity. Time in QWC is a continuum. In this context the only time that we can empirically measure is time that has past. No matter how you measure it there are no measurable increments small enough to match the reality of how time passes. It is a smooth progression. “Now” is instantaneous and is past before you know it. Time passes smoothly as a continuum of “infinitely short nows” and not a series of discrete increments. There is no “quantum of time”, only measurements of the length of time any given event takes to occur. In QWC the energy background, all quanta that stand out from the background, and all mass that is composed of energy in quantum increments are in constant motion and time does not effect that motion, the motion reveals the passing of time.

You may have something in regard to the passing of time until energy quanta stand out from the background. And I see you do equate the background to the vacuum of space. However the concept of positive and negative particles in the vacuum of space is not quite on target with what I intended to convey about the energy background.

Energy fills all space, but the energy density of the given environment determines the amount of energy quanta that stand out from the background. Time however passes the same in any energy density environment. In addition, vacuum energy density is associated with Big Bang Theory and General Relativity but not QWC. QWC has an aether made up of the energy background and energy quanta don't pop in and annihilate each other, they "stand out" from the background momentarily and are temporary convergences of energy caused by intersecting and overlapping quantum waves. Each energy quanta that stands out then bursts into a quantum wave. The process of the formation of quanta and the quantum wave that they generate is the force called "quantum action".

 

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ok but in QWC theory, don't particles of mass (primordial mass, you could think of it as the amount of energy that gives mass mass) form from the back ground energy wave fronts?

Where the energy wave front intersects with another wave front "the hot spot", combined are just enough energy to support the smallest quanta of mass but not enough energy to sustain mass so it blinks in and out of the back ground energy or into existence by which I mean can be observed and is persieved as Light.

I propose the rate of this feed back loop happens at the speed of light. Which could explain why energy travels distance at the speed of light.

Perhaps there is a current theory already that explains why light travels at the speed of light. If so do you know a link so I can read it or if you know could you explain it to me please.

 

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I apologize for making this answer so long that it will be a struggle to actually read it, sorry. Try to get through it.

OK, now I see what you were saying. Yes, the background is constantly jostled by quantum waves and as those waves expand spherically they intersect and overlap with each other. You are referring to the leading spherical edge of the quantum wave as a wave front and I refer to the entire wave because the quantum of energy is equally distributed throughout the entire sphere, not concentrated at the surface of the sphere. This is just a small distinction though and basically you can refer to the point of intersection as the leading edges. When they intersect they overlap and as they overlap, the overlap contains energy from both waves.

Pretty close. There may or may not be light when the energy quanta form and stand out from the background or even when stable mass forms. Light as you know is electromagnetic radiation which is polarized and has transverse electric and magnet field components. The emission of the photon, i.e. electromagnetic radiation requires atoms and energy jumps associated with the energy of the electrons. The energy quanta that cause mass and gravity have the characteristics of quantum waves, i.e. convergences, high density spots that burst and spherical expansion regardless of whether or not the particles of the standard particle model of quantum physics have formed from them. The mass that forms out of the background does so before the standard charged particles form. This is the pre-particle mass that makes up dark matter. All charged particles evolve from this dark matter. Dark matter has mass, and feels and exerts gravity even before charges form that can cause light. In QWC, specific particles like quarks, protons, neutrons, and electrons evolve from dark matter.

The efficiency of the formation of common particles form dark matter is a function of the overall average energy density of the universe. That efficiency is less that 100%, probably much less if the visible mass of the universe is 4% or 5% and the dark matter is 40% or 45% while the background makes up the other 50% or so of the energy of the universe (don’t quote these figures because … well they are just wags

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, Someone will inform me of the proportions as they understand them),

The energy quantum is always a precise increment of energy and forms from the background in an energy environment that supports mass, like you say. You could say they blink in and out but there is actually a flow of energy and the energy is always present so the blinking is more like converging and disbursing of wave peaks and troughs.

When quantum waves intersect and overlap, the amount of energy in the overlap increases as the waves themselves expand during the overlap period until it reaches a quantum of energy in the overlap. At that point the energy density in the overlap exceeds the ability of the converging waves to sustain the high density spot. Actually the waves just keep on expanding leaving the high density spot in the lurch, surrounded by lower and lower energy density as the waves that caused it to form move on. The high density spot, a quantum of energy by nature, “bursts” after the convergence culminates and the quantum of energy in the spot becomes a spherically expanding quantum wave itself.

The term “burst” implies a buildup of pressure in the spot. This build up is really an increase in the energy density of the spot relative to the energy density of the individual waves that cause the spot. If two waves of equal radius overlap then the overlap section has twice the energy density of each of the contributing waves. If three waves overlap then the overlap section has three times the energy density of the contributing waves, and so on.

In a simple idea of a matrix of energy quanta we can talk about twenty six contributing waves for each spot. Think of a three by three by three quanta matrix, i.e. twenty seven quanta and one occupies the exact center of the matrix. Depending on the synchronization of the quanta, it is possible for all twenty six of the surrounding quanta to burst, expand and converge at the center of the matrix, forming a high density spot that is twenty six times the average energy density of each of the contributing expanding waves. This matrix talk is just an example to convey the idea of how multiple energy quanta can contribute to an individual high density spot. You should note that only a small portion of the energy (1/26) of each contributing wave is used to generate one new high density spot. The rest of the energy, the other 25/26ths, gets caught up in the formation of other high density spots or just expands on out of the mass as the crest of the spherical quantum wave structure that emanates from mass and causes gravity.

In this case, at the point that the overlap of the twenty-six contributing waves accumulates a quantum of energy, the spot is at its highest possible energy density. How high that energy density gets depends on the energy density of the environment. If the environment is open space in the background then the energy density is very low, but if the environment is inside a proton then the energy density would be very high and the matrix would not only be much tighter but the number of waves contributing to each new high density spot could be much higher.

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. The frequency of the formation of the high density spots occurs very rapidly but is variable depending on the energy density of the environment and the proximity to mass, dark matter, and aether. Actually, in QWC, the burst of the high density spot causes the radius of the expanding sphere of energy to increase at the speed of light. So the quantum waves, the wave fronts, travel at the speed of light. If you noticed from your reading that gravity waves that are emitted from mass are actually caused by the unique quantum wave structure, i.e. the leading trough and the following crest as the high density spot bursts, then you can see that in QWC, gravity travels at the speed of light,

In Quantum Wave Cosmology there are two aspects of quantum waves that simply depend on nature. One is the amount of energy in a quantum, and the other is the rate of expansion of the spherical quantum wave at the speed of light. It seems that the speed of photons and the expansion of the quantum waves are the result of the same force, i.e. quantum action which is way they are equal. The natural density of charged particle systems like atoms and particularly their electron components determines the speed of light and the rate of increase in the radius of the quantum waves. Electrons, at least in QWC, are composed of energy quanta. The determination of the speed of light is a natural and invariant because of the nature and density of the electron, the way energy builds in discrete increment in the electron, the precise jumps of energy as photons are emitted and of the interplay of particles associated with the emission of photons. In QWC this relationship has always existed just like energy and matter have always existed so it is expected to be the same throughout the greater universe and from one arena to another.

Ideas on QWC nucleosynthesis suggest that each arena goes through a period of matter formation from dense state energy. When this dark dense energy emerges form a big crunch it expands rapidly and mixes with the surrounding low energy density aether to form a frothy mix of expanding energy density that accommodates abundant and rapid matter formation as the energy density of the expanding ball decreases to the matter formation threshold. But that is another topic.

 

I have an idea once, that instead of the cosmos being added too, a prime mover. Maybe something is missing. Say one electron out of the entire cosmos was some how destroyed when the energy was equilibrium, so one proton was required to steel an electron from a neighbouring hydrogen atom which caused a chain reaction, the chaos ensured and why everything is just perfect now. Crazy I know lol
"flaw theory" what drives evolution and strives for perfection.

Sorry Quantum wave, I know of topic but I cant think of any more questions to ask just yet.

 

Maybe "flaw theory" is off topic but I like the idea as a thought experiment. In QWC the question would be what happened to the energy of the "one electron" that was flawed. Energy cannot be created or destroyed so all energy has always existed.

A flaw that caused the energy of even one electron to be destroyed would be supernatural and therefore not a part of QWC.

 

I like the "flaw theory" too. Which isn’t really a theory it’s an idea. So I guess I could call it the "flaw Idea". When I look at technology I see it progresses over time, getting better, more efficient, more user friendly and more reliable. The idea is that if the technology were perfect it wouldn’t need improvements. The same could be thought of in biological life and evolution, it could be the "Flaw Potential" or the potentiality of flaws that could give rise to new adaptations in changing environmental conditions. Maybe the universe has a similar cosmology? A universal cyclical model of birth, death and rebirth. Evident by black holes, hawking radiation, star formation and star death cycles.

As for the big bang, I’m a sceptic of the big bang theory Its more like a work in progress. Sounds to me like it is contrived or at best is incomplete and requires new models to make it work. It sounds like a flat earth centric model to me. That’s why QWC resonates better with me, it may not be complete but it might be closer to the truth, and even if its not I applaud the efforts you make.

If energy cannot be created nor destroyed there is only one conclusion, the universe is eternal. The universe may in fact mirror life, a continuous cycle of birth, death and rebirth. If the current theory of the big bang requires it to made up of 95% dark matter and dark energy, sounds more like the theory is about 5% complete. I’d suggest the dark energy and dark matter might have already been present in our neighbourhood arena.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Cosmological_composition.jpg

(Sighted from wiki)
Speculative physics beyond the Big Bang.
“While the Big Bang model is well established in cosmology, it is likely to be refined in the future.” (probably 95% of it) “Little is known about the earliest moments of the universe's history.” (you can say that again) “The Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems require the existence of a singularity at the beginning of cosmic time. However, these theorems assume that general relativity is correct, but general relativity must break down before the universe reaches the Planck temperaturee, and a correct treatment of quantum gravity may avoid the singularity.”

Sounds like some one needs to talk to Quantum wave lol

Have you heard of Nassim Haramein, the Resonance Project.
http://theresonanceproject.org/research.html
His work include geometry of cosmology and the origin of spin and theories on singularities.
Event Horizon 1 – 4 DVD
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ir5sQEg0rs4 follow the related links to watch them all.

Here is a list of more links from a talk back show on radio.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=4lA0joPzrZI (talks about dimentions)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VIBlBs5M2oQ (talks about scale dependent infinity)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgh7vpJzSV0 (talks about the vacuum/space)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=cTIC2O_kync (he calls the vacuum like a hard drive, maybe this could be linked to QWC threoy back ground quanta)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=W9U3gBatv7E (quantum back ground energy of the vacuum or eather)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=alEvlmFJpkE (concludes)

Grand Unified Field Theory
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ekGJC5HFDlE (funamental structure and geometry of the universe)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mvRaQnaKL_0 (Dynamics of the universe, anti gravity ideas)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq4hjm-WB64 (feed back loop of information)

His ideas are way out there but I find it amazing.

 

What fun it would be to be involved with something like the Resonance Project. Haramein is interested in many of the same things that I am. Of course he is a bit more qualified and talented than I am which probably explains why my posts make pretty insignificant waves on SciForums while he has taken the initiative to put together talented people and professional presentations. I have found the website interesting and beneficial. Thank you for the links which I will work my way through.

 

Hypothetically, is QWC's energy quantum a constant based on observation?

If so, what happens to this formulation when observing mass only visibly detectable via cameras that specifically see into non visible (infra red, ultraviolet, etc.) light spectrums?

Is quantum action the force we observe as being altered or manipulated with respect to the Hutchinson Effect?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VyscSun3VkA

 

The idea is that at the micro level the quantum is a constant, and at the macro level that each arena has a constant amount of energy as well. Both the quantum and quantum action at the level of the infinitesimal are constant amounts of energy and force just like the energy captured in a big crunch and the force of a big burst are are constants at the macro level where arenas fill the landscape of the greater universe.

Light spectrum are the result of wave length of electric and magnetic field components of electromagnetic radiation. The quantum associated with photon energy is not the same quantum of energy as the quantum associated with mass and gravity. The amount of energy in the photon is present in discrete increments but the increments contain different amounts of energy. This means that photons are composed of energy quanta and each discrete photon energy increment is composed of more than one energy quanta. The higher the energy of the photon, the higher the number of quanta of the photon. Photons have mass and feel gravity in QWC but they do not clump to form particles or exert gravity individually. Relativistic mass increase and the conservation of momentum at relativistic speeds involves the relationship between the speed of the photon and the mass of the photon, but at Newtonian measures the mass of photons is effectively zero.

The quantum of mass and gravity is a single quantum amount at the micro level and a single quantum amount at the macro level. All energy in matter that exists between the two levels of order are in quantum increments in QWC.

I'm not sure about the Hutchinson Effect. Maybe someone can post an explanation for that.

 

Consciousness will always have a home in Quantum Wave Cosmology

The ideas of Quantum Wave Cosmology have been developed in a step by step fashion using the macro and micro limits of current technology as the departure points. That means that at the quantum level in the field of quantum mechanics, particle physicists have developed a standard particle model, and at the macro level there is the standard cosmology which is Big Bang Theory with inflation (BBT). Those are the departure points from which QWC picks up.

The standard particle model identifies particles and forces and quantum mechanics deals with the math that defines how the particles and forces are quantified and interact to form the universe as we see it. The standard cosmology starts at 10^-43 seconds and describes exponential inflation, nucleosynthesis, expansion and accelerating expansion along with the math to explain the nature of spacetime and the effect of gravity.

At neither end of the spectrum of scientific endeavor do we have completion. We don’t know what causes mass or gravity in the quantum world and we don’t know what caused inflation, expansion, or accelerating expansion or where matter and energy originated.

QWC takes little steps from the departure points to encompass ideas that make the most sense. It is a joint effort of all of those who view it and it is those who view it that shape it and help make sense out of it. They have been doing so in various forums for several years. This is not to say that anyone who has contributed to it buys into it. But many by commenting in passing have caused added steps that helped moved the project along. It has moved far enough for me to say that QWC encompasses ideas that satisfactorily complete the cosmology at both ends of the spectrum of scale and it does so within the definition of protoscience.

If we could observe a quantum of energy and the force of quantum action that takes place to cause mass and gravity it would not appear as it really is because of the uncertainty principle. We cannot observe the realty at that level without changing it. But QWC encompasses the idea that mass is composed of energy in quantum increments, there are quantum waves that emerge from high density spots that burst and their energy expands spherically as co-moving coordinate systems until the waves intersect, overlap, form new high density spots, and those spots burst to continue the quantum action perpetually. Mass and gravity are the products of energy quanta and quantum action that takes place within and surrounded by an energy background.

If we could observe the greater universe beyond the 13.7 billion years since our "big bang", QWC encompasses the idea that we would see a finite arena that is expanding into a greater universe. And if we could see infinitely out into the greater universe it would look the same as the quantum world, only on a higher level of order. Big crunches are the same as high density spots, Big Bangs are the same as the burst of high density spots, and inflation and expansion of arenas as co-moving coordinate systems are the same as the spherical expansion of the quantum energy waves that emerge from the bursts of a high density spots. Arenas intersect and overlap to form new big crunches which in turn burst to continue the arena process perpetually.

There are two levels of order that can only be distinguished from each other by the difference in the length of time it takes their respective actions to take place and the difference in scale between them. The thresholds and limits of energy density have their counterparts at each level of order and the energy to matter to energy process plays out through quantum action at the infinitesimal level and through the formation and burst of big crunches at the level of the greater universe. The process at each level serves to defeat entropy and enable a perpetual quantum world and a perpetual arena filled universe.

And this arrangement benefits life which is undaunted by it all. Life and consciousness is characteristic of the arena process that is enabled by the quantum nature of the universe. Because of the generative and evolvative nature of life, consciousness will always have a home within the arena process in Quantum Wave Cosmology.

 

How can you have developed it from the limits of mainstream physics when you don't know any mainstream physics? Spending an afternoon reading Wikipedia and a weekend reading 'A Brief History of Time' doesn't mean you know much of anything about mainstream physics.

Despite my repeated requests, you never demonstrated any quantitative knowledge of those things. Feel free to prove me wrong, but we both know you won't.

 

These are your repeated attempts and my reponses. Let's let them speak for themselves. Anyone reading the content of the thread will get the idea.

 

Alpha Numeric, Perhaps with your knowledge in mathemetics and physics you could help QWC along in suport?

Or perhaps you could help debunk some of the ideas being proposed so to arrive at a more tuned theory or show how what is proposed in QWC as false or cant possibly be correct?

I'm sure any assistance or input would be appreciated as has been out layed and requested in the opening post.

 

Thank you Harro. It doesn't look like Alphanumeric is going to respond. Maybe giving support is out of the question because AN is busy working with String Theory. If QWC is even close to reality then he has a lot to lose by supporting it though any support would be appreciated.

On the other hand I would think that he would be eager to debunk specific ideas I have mentioned instead of waving QWC off with challenges for quantification. He knows that I refer to QWC ideas as protoscience and not theory. He certainly understands that quantification is what moves ideas from protoscience to science theory. We will see if he returns to help me out here.

In the mean time I have a few improvements to make to ideas previously posted here. I will move forward to clarify ideas about the energy background and the aether and how mass and the aether are connected. The problem with detecting the aether is that it doesn't have an absolute reference frame. It is as much a part of mass as gravity is.

Also, I need to update the discussion of photons and photon mass ideas.

I'll get to work on that while AN works on how he can help or attack the ideas of QWC.