Predictions. Given 2009 could see some serious economic doo doo hit the fan and given the Pakistan has a penchant for attacking Indian to divert the attention of the people. Will 2009 see a war between the two? Could it actually go nuclear?
who gives a fuck if your country go to war or not?? :shrug: I think they need to be educated about nuclear war, they think it is a bollywood movie...Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I actually think that if push comes to shove, they will collaborate rather than go to war. Or maybe I'm just idealistic.
No SAM, there won't be any war, both countries have lot more to loose than to gain. Mostly all the talk of war is due to local public consumption. Elections, bad government etc etc. Since, 1994, it had happened 3 times. Nothing will happen, mark my words.
I hope yer right because the best thing for recessions or depressions is war. Let's hope current worldwide financial problems don't grow worse with our bigwigs wanting some outbreak to rally the industries and create more jobs. Hey Obama, Mr. BigGovernmentDude, how do ya feel about Pakistan? Economy is pretty shitty right now. Wanna create some government jobs to help the military? - N
Correct what? The only example you can point to is the most obvious and that is WW2. But during that time our civilization was ripe for advancements and yes the war did create the need to speed up certain advancements and spurred on ingenuity but it is more a reflection of where our civilization was. And certainly after winning the war everyone was relieved but i just dont see how people keep thinking that what is perceived as true in one instance means something is true in all instances because this is certainly not the case. As far as business or corporations happy about going to war, that is another line of bullshit. They do much better during peace time and people who are in that position diversify themselves. I just dont see it unless you believe in Bat Man movies.
It goes for any war or natural disaster. What happens when something is destroyed? It needs to be rebuilt. What happens during war? Things need to be rebuilt also, but guess what, we need loads more supplies just to fight the war. Sure, companies can make profits sitting back during peacetime but, uh, to ignore wartime profits is pretty friggin' stupid. Hell, you even get lucky groups that make more money during one war than all their other years combined! Exactly how do corporations such as DuPont who make gunpowder, do better in peacetime than not? You can only sell so much construction dynomite, teflon, chemicals, and whatnot without having some peak war-time profit. How about corporations such as Haliburton with reconstruction? I don't know about you, but I don't see them getting all their wages from rebuilding American ghettos. Security agencies? Sure, everyone needs security, but more security is needed during wartime or even some natural disaster (ie: rich New Orleans areas). This is a capitalistic society where money rules. Everyone is always looking for ways to make money and at any expense. If your boss said you could make billions of dollars by helping out with a war and you told em not to because you guys are doing pretty decent during peacetime, you'd be outright fired for lunacy yet somehow I'm the crazy one. Try surrounding yourself with powerful and greedy people sometime, then you'll have the wake-up of a lifetime. Because hey, every great fortune lies a great crime and all. - N
None of that matters because people in that position go where the money is and tbh if they didnt someone else would, just because the need is there. Like any other conflict wars happen because someone has an issue that they feel cannot be resolved another way. There are so many ways to make money that to risk a war simply on making money is complete fantasy and very simplistic. I would even say that nearly 100% of the people involved in big business do not see war as being good for business. Like i said there are so many ways to make money and it is basically the same type of person who will be there to make the big bucks but this doesnt mean that they hope for disasters to happen just to make money. One thing you have to remember is that corporations are made up of people and they come from the same places as everyone else does. Can you see a government declaring war just so McDonalds can make more cheeseburgers?
Highly unlikely that India-Pak will go to war; People who rule on both sides know the perils ... Anyways the likelihood of me guessing or anyone arguing in that respect is futile; what has to happen has to happen, its not in our hands is it? US is mediating, so things should be good. I am VERY VERY cynical though that pakistan is going to do anything about those terrorist training camps, so yea, India has to sit through and take it; Just make Airports, railway stations, Market places fortresses, secure the borders and train cops to include SWAT team guys, IDify everyone out there, tag everyone with RFID or something to track everything and everyone. CCTV all the cities. Is it easy? well who said it would be? ... but its a simple step by step procedure. Rick
They did with the War on Drugs. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Anyways, this is about India and Pakistan. As I said, I doubt the U.S. would have a problem with it. We like war. Besides, what better way to stop a 2nd world country like India from becoming a very-soon future competitor? - N
What some call conspiracy theories, to those that matter, they call it business. And what was I contradicting myself about? - N
May be 50/50 Chance? Now that American is going to have serious budget deficits, the large Military contractors will be looking to India to sell all sorts of stuff. But first there has to be a war to get rid of old stuff. It is all business....
Nations rarely go to war soley for economic purposes. Even with the increased tension, and the political instability, Pakistan is still reliant on a large US aid/help. Simply because of the war in afghanistan.
India and Pakistan won't go to war for the same reasons that the USA and the Soviet Union did not go to war. They may however go to war against each other in similar ways to how the USA and the Soviet Union went to war against each other. The shared border makes India and Pakistan dissimilar to the USA and the Soviet Union. Despite having Blacks, Native Americans and Mexicans ethnic and cultural diversity in the USA was susceptible to exploitation by a foreign power as it appears that it might be for India and Pakistan. I think India and Pakistan understand that the price of a hot war is to high. Let's hope that they understand that cold war also carries a high price. Kashmir is a mess. Letting Kashmir go might be the beginning of a traumatic devastating unraveling of India. Kashmir can not be let go accept in some extremely creative out of the box scenario. Creative out of the box scenario's never happen because politicians and despots are crippled by the fears of how their rivals will use anything they do against them. Keeping Kashmir against the will of the Kashmiri people will be endless trouble. I find it hard to believe that Indian Kashmiris would really want to become part of the mess that is Pakistan. If I were a Kashmiri I would want independence for Kashmir, not incorporation into Pakistan. Could India find a way to make the Kashmiris want to stay part of India? India's heavy handed methods just make the Kashmiris more strongly desire freedom from India. Could India shift from stick to carrot and try to buy the good will of the Kashmiri people. Would the jealousy of all the other poor Indian states prevent India from exploring the option of buying the affections of Kashmiris by subsidizing Kashmir and making Kashmiris relatively wealthy?
Pakistan is not a stable country...so no one knows what can happen....if the terrorists have access to long range missiles...that could change the dynamics....
