German frigate foils pirate attack

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/25/somalia.germany/index.html
They shouldn't have captured them, they should have destroyed the pirates' skiff and killed all of them.

This made me wonder, have any of you ever see city police departments set up 'bait cars' to catch car thieves?

Why hasn't any of the countries involved in fighting the pirate issue set up a 'bait ship' yet.
Send out a 'cargo' vessel into the waterways, then allow pirates to board the ship, only to walk into an ambush of spec ops soldiers laying in wait for them.

And I don't give a fuck about the humanitarian aspect of it, I think we should implement a 'shoot and kill on sight' for these degenerates.

 

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How do you know that they already haven't?

 

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Would you advocate a similar policy on Wall Street?

 

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In what sense?
And I'm not the one who usually plays forum topic Nazi, but damn, that's waaaaaaay off topic.

I don't, but I'm pretty sure there would have been a news story about it. I would almost hypothesize that that information would intentionally get out to warn pirates that they may be walking into their last attack if they invade the wrong ship.

 

But now they know, don't they.

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I wouldn't go that far. I don't think the German frigate was a bait ship. I just think the pirates are too stupid to realize they aren't invincible.
The fact that the pirates know they won't be killed if they surrender just emboldens them more.
Shoot and kill all pirates but one (for interrogation) on sight. The pirates aren't operating on an ideology like terrorists are. They are operating on the premise of making money. They can't make or spend money if they're dead. And I don't think they'd take as many bold chances as they do if they knew there was a strong possibility of a ship they are attacking is a bait ship, and especially if they knew the 'crew' of the bait ship wasn't going to take any prisoners if they catch them.

 

Arrgh, bounty-hunters on the high seas!

- N

 

The most efficient way to interdict pirates is by moving into their ports and bases of operation.

There are lots of pirate ships, and many desperate people to crew them. There are not nearly as many ports or places they can hole up and cash in on their take. And they can be found, these days, by satellite.

 

You were advocating summary execution for those degenerates who pillaged the valuables from people. I just thought you would feel the same about the con artists of Wall Street and other financial centres who have pillaged their investors' money. I mean a pirate doesn't have to wear an eye patch to be a pirate. Correct?

 

Heh..

So, Stealing money is ok, just do it wearing a suit and tie ?

 

Well let's see, what would happen if strike teams tried to launch an attack on a ship being held for ransom? Would the pirates kill the crew? If so, then right there tells me no. I will wholeheartedly agree that Wall Street has more than its share of theives and con artists, but I don't see them murdering anyone. They don't necessarily put someone's life in danger.
I would just rather see people like that not alive to endanger anyone else.
Whereas the con artists; I would be indifferent to whatever punishment they gave them, whether jail or euthanization.

 

Tell that to the people in or near retirement who have seen their live saving and pension plans wiped out overnight. Setting aside the resultant suicides, the impact of depression on those individuals will bring many of them to an early grave.

 

You're grasping for straws on the comparison. At least come up with a scenario that is more parallel with this before you start trying to rationalize the punishment the pirates deserve.

 

I have expressed no view on how pirates should be punished. Therefore I have no need to rationalise a conclusion I have not reached, on a topic I have only passing interest in.

I agree there is little comparison between the two issues. The behaviour of the financial con-men is more damaging, more cynical, wholly bereft of any justification other than naked greed, and deserving of extensive punishment.

 

Should be a non-issue. Stealing is wrong.

 

Your fairly detailed posts in this topic debating the style of punishment I've suggested for the pirates would suggest otherwise.

Once again dude, apples and oranges. I feel that 'shoot on sight' is the best action for those pirates.
I should have iterated this earlier but I thought you were following me on it; guess not.
While I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over any con man getting put to death, I feel life in prison w/o parole would be the best punishment for them. I even think death would be too good of a punishment for them.
The pirates more or less live a rough life already, so prison may or may not be a change for them.
You take these con men who have lived in the lap of luxury for so long, and put them in prison where they will become Bubba's bitch, and they will soon regret how they behaved. And of course before you put them in prison, you strip them of all their pensions, earnings, etc., as they earned all of that illegally. <--although that would probably never happen.
But, if you're going to punish those con men, you might want to start indicting members of the government/congress who sat back and allowed all this crap to happen, as well.
As far as who does more damage, well I really don't feel comfortable with a giant cargo ship full of tanks and arms being in the hands of pirates.

 

Then I suggest you re-read what I have written. I have been at pains to derail the topic from discussion of pirates of the seven seas to pirates of our financial insitutions. Consequently I have deliberately not expressed any view on how pirates should be treated. I have instead asked the question, how should financial con-men be treated?
But I dare say you will see what you want to see, so good luck to you , Jim lad.

 

No. Sorry. I meant that towards your 'passing interest' comment. You have posted entirely too much in this thread already for me to even have a shred of belief that this was a passing interest for you.
I will rarely post in a thread I have a passing interest in, let alone make several posts.
Just sayin'.

And I believe from two posts above this one, I gave you a detailed summation.

 

I am not you. I would not presume to expect that you, or anyone, would behave as I behave. I do not know your circumstances. You do not know mine.
Specifically you are quite unaware of the following:
(a)that I am recovering from a severe cold with flu like symptoms and am taking things deliberately easy - my age and health render bronchial complications an ever present possibility. Therefore I am prepared and ready to invest more time in a 'passing interest' than normal.
(b) that I have not knowingly discussed topics with you before and am deliberately probing you. So, while the topic is only of 'passing interest' your reactions are fascinating.
(c) that I am on a campaign to up my post count to place me on page 1 of the members list, which requires I post on items that are only of 'passing interest', probably more than once.

In short, your narrow minded assumption has told me considerably more about you, than my detailed and possibly fallacious exposition has told you about me.

Happy Day after Boxing Day.

 

I agree. Perhaps some preditor drones could cover the area and launch missles when prirate ships are detected.