2010: The End Of The USA

Discussion in 'World Events' started by superstring01, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. superstring01 Moderator

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    DECEMBER 29, 2008, 1:54 P.M. ET
    As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.
    In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America 'Disintegrates' in 2010
    By ANDREW OSBORN

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  3. superstring01 Moderator

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    The best part of the whole thing is how the nation will split up. I like the part where the midwest will be under Canadian influence, despite it having more than twice Canada's population, industry and military strength.

    But whatever.

    I find this an amusing piece of fiction. Worthy of a TV show.

    Wait...

    It's already been done?!

    Oh. Nevermind.

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  5. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    We are in a transitional period and if we can't get our act together, things will probably wind up like something of the above. I doubt we'll break apart and join other nations, but it wouldn't be surprising if we did break up if all else fails.

    Politicians like Newt Gingrich and Al Gore haven't been pushing certain futurist books like Toffler's Third Wave calling them mandatory reading for all people to help prepare and understand what's going on and about to happen for no reason. It's just inevitable when technology advances so fast and our outdated Industrial Age-type educations aren't keeping up with one another. Maybe the time-line is too soon in regards to that Russian academic, but it most likely will happen, in some sort of way, at least.

    Computers and Globalization helped speed this up especially with corporations having no loyalty to any countries but rather capitalistic greed and profit. Even what we call capitalism is outdated and will have to be refined. With regards to so much, we just have too many old-school thinkers unable to adapt. Our whole infrastructure needs change, even how or why we go to work at some building with a bunch of people. Many jobs don't even need that. The way that we're used to doing our jobs needs an overhaul. The jobs that Americans used to be prepared for are now being shipped overseas or kept here with lower wages. As well as China and India are doing, they're doing our old jobs for a reason. They're still behind. They too will wind up having the same problems as we might if they don't learn to adapt either.

    We just don't have enough people prepared for jobs of the future such as in medicine, science, computers, etc. Manual labor is coming to an end and what were some decent jobs like being a GM employee or an old-school supermarket worker, they're gonna be and are already minimum wage jobs that don't take much brains compared to the jobs of the future that we need to educate our people for. Once we have enough old-school workers out of work and not enough to take care of the future jobs we need, then shit will hit the fan. What we're seeing now with the auto industry is nothing. What happens when all those menial jobs are at minimum wage or taken over by people from other countries and our undereducated people aren't qualified to do the work we need? Heck, that's probably when something like the U.S. being broken up winds up alligning with other countries, to ship their people here to do the work our regular ol' joes can't do. Heh, that's already the case now anyways. You guys seem to take pride that people from other countries come to the U.S. for an education. That's not a good thing when it's not Americans having those educations.

    All of this is inevitable if we can't adapt. It's the North vs South all over.

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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Much as I would enjoy a ringside seat as West Virginia, Maine, Pennsylvania, and Kentucky are welcomed into the European Union, while Georgia throws in with Mexico,

    And Florida joins not Cuba but Mexico, for some reason,

    and California becomes not Mexican but Chinese,

    and the Northwest turns its back on both Vancouver and Japan and joins China, Idaho tagging along,

    and Kansas rewrites its official documents in both French and English, joining Minnesota and Ohio as Canadian Provinces,

    I have to say the least likely outcome of all is Alaska joining Russia. They think they had problems with Afghanistan?

    A Russian might well be more worried about Russia losing a chunk to the new country of Kamchalaska.

    The notion of the US losing some of its pieces, changing shape, in the coming disaster, is maybe not so farfetched. Although civil war is an unlikely mechanism. But the analysis that distributes the country among allegedly more durable powers, along boundaries apparently drawn on a map with a crayon, is bound to be a curious one - I would like to see it.
     
  8. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    maybe money is indeed the root of all evil after all.
    if it wasn't for money it's quite possible that the industrial revolution would never have happened and we would still be living in an agrarian society.

    BTW the most basic premise of "the third wave" was taught to high school students of the 40s and 50s as world history.

    niraker,
    it's been a very long time, nice to see you on the board.
     
  9. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    I had one look at this.. and realised some Russians are really dumb.
     
  10. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting fiction - but only fiction.

    The country didn't fall apart during the Great Depression which was much, MUCH worse than where we are now. The world's people (and a few here) don't even come close to understanding Americans and how we deal with things. :shrug:
     
  11. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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  12. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    This is just more russian anti-american propaganda. Putin has a hard on for the US at the moment. Go to RussiaToday (controlled openly by their Government ... and in turn their secret service).. and check out the really terrible attacks on America. Last time I went there almost every news story was a penis comparison with America. After reading it for an hour I was under the impression that the secret service in Russia .. and its government.. have really small penis`s.
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, Canada will probably split first, if the french separatists have their way in the East. Of course, it will be a win-win for the US if we can pick up the western provinces with their vast wealth of resources, thus connecting the Pacific Northwest to Alaska.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Only if the most apocalyptical peak oil predictions or a nuclear world war 3 were to happen would anything like this happen. Today's american people are amazingly apathetic, to get then to revolt would require incredible stimulus: I would say the whole nation would need to be in phyical ruin with hundreds of thousands dieing per day of starvation, disease, etc, before you would see significant parts of America revolting.
     
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  15. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    Russians predict American downfall? wow thats a new one aint it?

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  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I have some political base in Alaska.

    Perhaps for a sum of money I would agree to undertake - should the US disintegrate of its own, and in no way by my contribution - the promotion of certain Russian interests in the newly allied Russian Territory.

    Russians who have been persuaded that Alaska will soon join Russia ought to be preparing now, establishing representation of their interests commercial and otherwise. A reasonable yearly retainer, reserving my services in advance of the blessed event, would be an excellent investment for the farsighted Russian.
     
  17. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Money is just a tool. No different than a barter system that has existed forever. Greed is the root of all evil. Wanting more than you need to have a comfortable lifestyle or taking excess resources and money from others to give to yourself is evil, etc.

    It's more like that every thing or age comes to an end. It's evolution. Don't get too set in your ways because things change. Nothing lasts forever. Where we were successful during one age, technology is outpacing us especially with our people unable to keep up, so as we head for the new age, we just gotta adapt and evolve to that new way of life.

    Any collapse that we may have is inevitable. Powers change all the time. Who was once the big dog isn't. It's those that are able to adapt in the time of need when that new age starts are the ones that will be powerful. It's just a bigger version of business. Just like the ipod and even say the Wii, they came in, did something different because they read the market and bam, they soared while others sunk. Businesses change all the time, why do we think that social and economical change can't happen? Probably the smugness of us being top dog right now unable to see nothing but greatness, blinded to the reality of how things are.

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  18. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    A bunch of crap.

    People can say what they like, but the US is still by far the most powerful nation in the world, and it will continue to be for the next 50 years. And that's assuming the US just rests on its laurels and allows the rest of the world to catch up . . .
     
  19. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Alaska takes care of itself and has it's own identity. No way would they join Russia, and good luck taking Alaska by force even if the population is low. 8 month winter, huge fucking mountains and an EXTREMELY well armed populace.


    Same goes for Canada. Sure the easy parts of Canada to take are all real close to the U.S. Major cities like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver.

    Once you take them you are gonna have to deal with a bunch of the pissy bleedin heart panzies....then before long you've realized you've got the shit parts of Canada. The Goodies(Oil, resources, hard working labour) are elsewhere. They are in the tough parts to take(mountains, rural well armed populace, can thrive in 6month winters). Good luck with that. Regarding population - no factor, as we can see with Afganistan. Heh try and take Alberta, good luck to you. Imagine a fucking cold Afghanistan with a force with at least partially modern equipment and tactics. (This assumes the usual successful U.S Military extreme long range chickenshit capability reduces Canada's Reg forces to nearly zero.)

    This commie prof doesn't know fuck. Canada doesn't want ANY MORE LAND. They never have had any designs on U.S Land(even after successful forays, and burning down the 1st white house during the war of 1812). The average Canadian probably DOES have more in common with the average Mid-westerner, but that doesn't mean shit politically anymore. No one takes over anyone anymore, it just doesn't work like that anymore. Wars really are pointless now. You can buy them out though.

    You can have Quebec. In fact, it was GIVEN to us. France preferred to keep some shitspeck island in the Caribbean for it's sugar or tobacco, rather than keep Quebec after they lost the French and Indian war. It was more profitable than Quebec. It probably still is. Canada inherited the Quebec problem from Britian and if you invade Canada, you get to have that problem too. It's kinda like herpes, it will NEVER GO AWAY. It flares up every 20 years or so.

    That much change does not happen in 2 years(permanent change without a war anyway). A real war (as opposed to the minor grab-ass clusterfucks in Afganistan and Iraq), results in a post apocalyptic world. Kinda funny in the game Fallout, the west is called the New California Republic.
     
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  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You wouldn't turn down access to the Port of Duluth, Mississippi River, Minnesota River, and the Red River Valley, though - especially if you could get it simply by offering shelter from the New Texas Republic.
     
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  21. jessiej920 Shake them dice and roll 'em Valued Senior Member

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    Of course the state I live in is predicted to go under communist rule! Of course!
     
  22. superstring01 Moderator

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    What are you talking aboot? I'll be a part of Canada... eh!

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  23. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    nietzschefan, you have Quebec and We have Democrats, yah just like herpes.
     

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