The Matrix - Sucks or Not?

Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by sderenzi, Oct 21, 2006.

  1. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    It's kinda neat when you look at the movie in a kind of computer terminology. "The One" is a human (or a program maybe?) that has some limited system administration rights. Looking at it this way, you could wonder if, say, the Oracle, or that one guy who shows up in the second movie, was a "one" from the previous batch of humans? You could look at the train station Neo gets trapped in as a cache, with the Morovingian (spelling?) being its controller. The fact that Neo gets stuck there after frying a real life sentinel with his mind or whatever might imply that Neo accessed the system through said sentinel, and that this cache is a holding point between the real-world robotic software driving the sentinels and the Matrix itself.

    I dunno, alot of the science of course didn't make sense, but then again it's like time travel in movies: doesn't need to make too much sense to be entertaining.

    Also, cyberpunk, explosions, a take on how AI may manifest itself: these are just a few of my favorite things

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  5. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    If it doesn't make sense, it's usually not entertaining to me.
    I love the idea of time travel but even if it is possible, what they do with it in movies is ridiculous.
     
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  7. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    I agree, time travel is just about always ridiculous in movies, however how else are you going to get an android back into the 90's so he can mow down an entire city's police force with a damn minigun while spatting out witty one-liners in all his austrian glory!

    That said, yeah, using humans as a power source also made me whisper "da helll?!?!" in the theatre, but ignoring the weak premise they used to justify having people plugged into a computer, people living out their life in a computer simulation was an entertaining notion to those who hadn't thought of it!

    but I'm not arguing either side, different strokes for different folks. I'm just sayin scifi is fun when you ignore a rule here and there.

    p.s., I have a theory. Maybe humans arn't the power source, but once the machines took over, they collectively went "I'm bored, let's play god! We can use The Sims 7 software they left behind to kick things off!" and thus began the fun hijinks of a computer playing the human, rather than the other way around. Jesus, now that I think of it why didn't they just go with that!
     
  8. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I like your plot motivation idea. But as for the 1 in the movie : The premise is that all we perceive is not genuine & not all accurate due to mentally being in an artificial simulation. We don't know that outside the simulation the human body can't be a practical power source.
     
  9. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    Neat way to look at it, stranger, like life outside the matrix is an alternate universe to the one you and I know somehow.

    Seriously though, why not just say the computer wanted to play god? This would be like tossing napalm on the fire that is religious debate! "Is OUR god a computer, and should we free ourselves from it?" "No, and you're going to hell! rabble rabble rabble!" Awesome fun!
     
  10. codanblad a love of bridges Registered Senior Member

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    i heard when the wachowski brothers wrote the script for the trilogy, the second movie was meant to be the 'rise of the machines' thing which they did in the animatrix. in the script the 3rd movie covered the events of the 2nd and 3rd movie put together. but when there was so much hype over the first one, the producers or whatever figured there was more money to be made exploiting the cast n characters. they fucked up.

    the first is a great movie, i dunno if they invented it, but they definitely established the staple 'action movie slow mo fighting' thing. i also think bourne identity's fast and furious fight scenes were so popular because they contrasted so strongly with slow-mo fighting when it was dominating action movies. movie buffs feel free to enlighten me though.
     
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    and maybe the robots have a huge surplus of weet bix and shit. so feeding us is no big deal. in actual fact getting rid of the megatonne surplus of weet bix, and gaining power is two birds with one stone. and maybe the robots are all buddhist, so if they just killed us they'd all come back as aids viruses. they don't have a lot of options here.
     
  12. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    'Welcome To The Desert Of The Real!'

    I thought the trilogy was briliant; contemporary mythology if you will. Those Wachowski boys made good use of Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation!

    Perhaps if some of you viewed The Matrix as philosophy shrouded in science fiction it would make more sense and not seem so ridiculous (especially those among us who spend an inordinate amount of time locked in the virtual world of sciforums...YIKES!)
     
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  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    No alternate universe. The PREMISE of the movie is the world we think we live in is actually an artificial simulation. Within the simulation the human body is not a practical power source. In the genuine world maybe it is.
    IF we are in an artificial simulation, nearly all we think we know could be false in the genuine world outside.
     
  14. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Exatamono Stranger!
     
  15. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    That's what I meant to say, stranger, wasn't quite sure how to phrase it though

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  16. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    best movie ever made. a lot of people completely missed the point..especially those who are brainwashed to take things at face value by the society. the movie needs to be taken metaphorically, which is tough because a lot of people apparently don't like to think.
     
  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    :roflmao:
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