1984, is it happerning again

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Asguard, Dec 28, 2002.

  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    ok this will be the THIRD time i have posted this

    maybe puting it in its own thread i might actully get SOMEONE answer it


    just as a side note it really hurts being called anti american all the time

    i am very close to 2 american girls and im more AFRAID for THEM and the rest of u and ur solders even than i am against u all

    i AM however against ur GOVERMENT
     
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  3. foadi Registered Senior Member

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    Education? If by education you mean schooling, then no. Children under the age of sixteen or forced to attend school in America. Children learn very little in these brainwash camps. If an individual wants to become educated, than that individual must do it on their own time.

    Now is a scenerio similar to that from 1984 currently occuring in America? Sure. Though it really is quite irrelevant. The state is inevitably evil, and must be destroyed.
     
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  5. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    by education i mean what we learn in our english classes here

    the ability to analise a piece of litriture in order to find the devices the author uses to sway u to his\her opinion

    in other words issues
     
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  7. foadi Registered Senior Member

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    Do you consider receiving education a right?
     
  8. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    yes and also (now that i can apreciate it) i concider it a responcability

    i went to a state school and that sort of training is the most basic englis class

    u learn it from year 8-12
     
  9. foadi Registered Senior Member

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    So you believe schooling should infact be compulsory?
     
  10. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    of corse

    and it is

    rnt we off topic tho?
     
  11. foadi Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry. I was checking to see how much of an authoritarian you are. No, "we" aren't in 1984. It's impossible! Heil Bush!
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    see what i know for a FACT is that the church and latter the kings ruled by keeping the pesants and serfs uneducated

    polpot shot all the school teachers and put the power into the hands of uneducated children

    i dont know so much about starlinest rusia

    this is why i want to know if the state of education is falling because as far as i can tell that is a sign SOMEONE wants to keep the masses under control
     
  13. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "i dont know so much about starlinest rusia"

    I don't think many people do. Stalinst Russia, however...


    "this is why i want to know if the state of education is falling because as far as i can tell that is a sign SOMEONE wants to keep the masses under control"

    Any ability to prove this? Any ability what so ever to show that in any case the education system faltering is because government officials wish to further control the masses? Besides "starlins" Russia, of course.

    Furthermore, what makes you think America's education system is going down in progress?

    Sorry Anthony, just gotta make sure this isn't another of your classic "ITS OBVIOUS IM RIGHT!"-without-any-logical-proof things.
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    thats what i have been ASKING EVERYONE

    as to the other two i dont know if i could prove it but probably yes
     
  15. felix Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, yes, education in the United States IS failing.

    every politician that comes to office SAYS that education is a priority for them, but as soon as they need money for something else, they divert funds from education budgets. George Bush even diverted funds and said he was going to hold schools more responsible for the education of their students all in the same breath.

    So what's happening is that schools are getting more and more crowded, because there's not enough money to build more schools or to add on the schools that already exist. There are also laws in place that say you can only have a certain number of students in a class. So when they excede that number, they're breaking the law and are held accountable as a direct result of no funding.

    We also have a lot of teachers leaving the profession, because their pay is becoming smaller and smaller in comparison to the rest of the population. And thanks to their over crowded classrooms their job is getting bigger and bigger. Not to mention the steadily increasing violence from students.

    AND we've got parents in MANY states who when confronted with lack of funding for their kids schools, would rather see subjects like Math, Science, History and Languages dropped from the curriculum INSTEAD of things like football, basketball, baseball, etc. because they're all deluded enough to think that THEIR kid is going to be in that one tenth of one percent of the people that can play one of those sports well enough to go earn millions of dollars professionally.

    Yes, absolutely education in the United States is failing. And we really only have our elected officials to thank for it. Past AND present.
     
  16. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Of course the US is currently the same as Oceania in 1984. Why, I know that just by posting "Bush is a moron" in another thread, I'll be tracked down by the Ministry of Love and tortured.

    Oh wait......

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  17. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    *Knock, knock, knock.*

    Open up in there. Ministry of Love. I've got a warrant. Anything you say will be held against you.
     
  18. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Do it to Julia! Don't do it to me!
     
  19. EvelinaAnville Registered Senior Member

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    The main reason teachers are leaving is because the job is unbearable for many of them. Many of the administrators in the schools I have worked in treat the teachers about as poorly as they treat the students. People with self-esteem and intelligence (two things I obviously don't have else I would be out of the system

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    ) eventually get so sick of it that they leave. I have heard of so many experienced teachers leaving lately, and I have witnessed the baby-sitting/guarding/mass-brain-numbing (something so close to 1984 it is scary) that passes for "teaching" so many times it is sickening.

    People are always telling me that we need teachers who care about the kids and can teach them something besides how to take tests (which they also do not teach in these classrooms) but how can anybody stay in such a place when so much is working against them? I've seen people who could be good teachers so burned by the system that they take it out on the kids--they end up not caring about them, almost seeming to hate them. I, for one, do not want the system to cause me to hate these fellow victims of the system. That is why I am still a SUBstitute teacher and not a "real" one.
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    ironicaly here its the other way around

    if u want to learn to THINK go to a public school, if u want to learn to pass a test go to a private school

    my physics teacher said he could teach the way the private schools do and get ANYONE to pass the year 12 physics exam in a month


    also here private school kids genrally get lower marks when they get to uni BECAUSE they wernt taught to THINK
     
  21. EvelinaAnville Registered Senior Member

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    Well, most students aren't taught to think in any of our schools. If they are lucky they might get a teacher who wants to help them learn to think, but that is a big "if."
     

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