Prisons

Funny so have I.
Stamford, Leeds, Reading, Hull, London etc and they were the same there as they are in my home town.
Very helpful, largely efficient and not a joke.

 

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well i just must get the dickheads then

 

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Prisons are good in the sense that they protect people who have acted against the public opinion from angry mobs.

 

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Except that everyone of them lost under the "reasonble doubt" standard and some of them lost because their lawyers were drunk or high or just didn't give a damn, some are later proved innocent by way of recanting witnesses, sometimes other people come out and confess to the crimes, sometimes prosecutors do something wrong, or cops lie, and you don't find out until later.

I have no problem with the death penalty in principle, but the fastest way to kill it off if to start executing innocent people, who were wrongfully convicted. Public support for that would not be high.

The faster you kill them, the greater the risk of that kind of error. In fact, its statistically undeniable that we already must be executing the innocent. We just give everyone enough time and opportunity to unearth the evidence that they could not adduce at trial, so the obvious ones are swept from the system.

The capital punishment system we have in place is rife with irregularities. It is really in need of reform, but the reforms it needs are not "less habeas corpus" ino.

 

What insane assylums were for mental illness, prisons are to social illness.

People should be restrained only if they are a clear threat to themselves or others. Other than that they need to be helped to overcome their problem and be allowed to make restitution to those they hurt.

Yes.

Prisons are a waste of people and resources and they exacerbate the problem of lawlessness.

 

Which is why I said a "clear threat." I.e. the person is clearly threatening harm or has actually harmed and there is no reason to believe that if allowed free those threats will not be made good on or further harm done.

Such people are clearly a threat. If we couldn't help them then they would need to be restrained or killed depending on just how dangerous they were and if we felt that there was a reasonable possibility of future treatment.

But the vast majority in prison are not those people. They are mainly political prisoners from the war on minorites, I mean "drugs." The others are people who don't understand how to live in society, but aren't particularly dangerous and could be productive citizens with a modicum of effort. Petty theives, white collor criminals, etc.

We spend billions turning them into better criminals instead of turning them into better citizens.

 

That is part of the problem.

They are not "turds" they are people and they are people who like you, don't see other people as people.

 

prison is just like the military except the military you usually have a choice to go. in the military you have to be up at a certain hour same with prison, in the military you have to do things when you are told like work same with prison you eat and sleep at the same time aswell.

im just posting this so i can PM somone 20 posts needed

 

They clearly fail as a deterrent or societies with draconian drug laws would be drug free.

And for Norse...real justice is called restitution.

 

Go for it!

 

That was my point

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As for your other two posts above that are replies to posts of mine, I agree.

 

I know but you were too erudite.

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Really ?

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Because they realy dont want to kill an inocent person so they do have the right to appeal to a higher court.
Due to so many courts being over run with bull shit cases like the lady who sued McDonalds because the coffee was hot( duh!) there are a large amount of backlogged cases. You cant kill some one till you have given them their right to prove their inocence, or prove how they did not have a fair trial.
O.J. Simpson is one of those cases. He was wrongfully found not guilty for murder so when they got him for some minor bullshit they threw the book at him.

 

yeah ok i see your point, but some of these people have been on death row for 10 years it doesnt take 10 years to build a decent case and take it to court