How do you feel about people who kill animals for the sheer fun of it?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Saven, May 3, 2009.

  1. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    If you're asserting that you need animal flesh to survive, you still have all of your work ahead of you.

    What about ethical chain of custody? If you hire a hitman to kill someone and bring back the flesh of the deceased for your consumption, you are guilty of a contract killing and are regarded as a principal in the offence, and are subject to the same conviction and penalties as the actual killer. There is no legal or ethical distinction made between them, nor any exception.

    Cognitive dissonance, however, enables convenient, but invalid, exceptions in the case of war and meat-eating.
     
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  3. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Probably I don't need it. But I believe it's healthier to eat real meat once in a while instead of pills. The point is, I don;t eat meat for fun and I certainly do not kill any animals.. let alone for fun.

    It doesn't say that I do it for fun, now does it?


    Do you eat cheese? What about marshmallows?
     
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  5. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Out of interest do vegetarians kill plants for fun?
     
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  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Even better, do they realize that many animals die because of the production of plants for food?
     
  8. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    What makes you ethically different than the neighbourhood kitty-cat cutter?


    I eat all kinds of meat. The difference between us is that I don't claim that killing a cow for a hamburger is morally different than killing a cow to test the sharpness of a knife.
     
  9. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Ah I see, you're just the average hypocrite asshole. Run along now..
    Perhaps you should spend some time thinking stuff over. Especially about why eating meat is different from killing animals for pleasure or to gratify your sadistic urges.
     
  10. Grim_Reaper I Am Death Destroyer of Worlds Registered Senior Member

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    Killing for meat defense or for pest control is OK by me killing for the fun of kill no other reason then to see another living creature die well that to me and I am sure many Psychiatrist would like show a border line psychotic personalty. All serial killers and I mean ALL have either mutilated and or killed for the fun of the kill and when that "FUN" ran thin they turned to people for various reasons. I have no problem with a hunter hunting I have an issue with a killer killing.
     
  11. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    Why am I a hypocrite if what I preach and what I believe/do is the same thing? I was pointing out your own hypocrisy, since it's fun.

    If you think there's an ethical difference between killing animals in order to enjoy a few minutes of tasty burger and killing animals in order to enjoy a few minutes of lulz, I'm all ears.
     
  12. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    Where did you get the idea that all serial killers abused animals? There is simply no basis for saying 'all'. What you obliquely refer to is the MacDonald Triad - but that relates to sociopathy, not serial killing per se.

    What's the ethical difference between a pot-bellied, well-fed redneck shooting wild animals for 'sport' and the neighbourhood nasty kid killing wild rabbits and stray dogs for 'sport'?
     
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  13. Grim_Reaper I Am Death Destroyer of Worlds Registered Senior Member

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    There are many sources of informant ion on the link of killing and mutilating animals and not only serial killers but all so spree killers. They are people that kill for the thrill no other reason then it makes them feel good. And for the most part it is a control issue with sometime a sexual component to it as well. All you need to do for further info is do a search on the search engine of your choice and you will find that there has indeed been proven a link between killing animals for the LOLz of it as you say and killing in general.
     
  14. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    You said 'all' which, as I stated in my previous post, is an assertion completely unsupported by the literature. I want to see your specific source(s).
     
  15. Grim_Reaper I Am Death Destroyer of Worlds Registered Senior Member

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    The folowing is a article from the website helpinganimals.com the article all so refrences a study performed by Northeastern University and the Massachusetts SPCA


    Violent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animals. “Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives,” wrote humanitarian Dr. Albert Schweitzer. “Murderers … very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids,” according to Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Studies have now convinced sociologists, lawmakers, and the courts that acts of cruelty toward animals deserve our attention. They can be the first sign of a violent pathology that includes human victims.

    Animal abuse is not just the result of a minor personality flaw in the abuser but rather a symptom of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty toward animals don’t stop there; many of them move on to their fellow humans.

    The FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appear in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders.

    A study conducted by Northeastern University and the Massachusetts SPCA found that people who abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against humans. The majority of inmates scheduled to be executed for murder at
    California’s San Quentin penitentiary “practiced” their crimes on animals, according to the warden.
     
  16. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    That's a biased article and yet even it will not venture father than to say 'very often' animal abuse is correlated with serial killing. That's a far cry from 'all', which you have not only foolishly stated one time but persist in defending.
     
  17. Grim_Reaper I Am Death Destroyer of Worlds Registered Senior Member

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    Don't bring God into this and if you ventured to study and or read about serial killers you would find that ALL of them that I know about thus fer have tortured and or killed small animals period and don't call someone foolish unless you your self can produce proof the contrary of some one view point.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No. They kill them to survive.

    Also, many plants are not killed when parts of them are eaten. Consider, for example, apple trees.

    We could also discuss the morality of eating plants, but that's a different thread.
     
  19. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    First off I do not have to kill any animals to 'enjoy' a burger.
    If you cannot see that killing for food and killing for fun are completely different things from an ethical standpoint, well.. then there is something horribly wrong with you.
    You aren't worth anymore of my time, figure it out.
     
  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, how so? They could just live on meat and take supplements..

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    Besides, the production of fruit and vegetables results in a lot of animals deaths.
     
  21. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    Point out precisely where I invoked diety.

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  22. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    I accept your concession with humility and grace.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Enmos:

    You only have vegie burgers then, do you?

    There's obviously something horribly wrong with me. Please explain it for me. Keep in mind that it is not necessary to your survival that you kill animals for food.

    :facepalm: It is obviously more ethical to eat plants than to eat meat, and to survive you must eat something.

    Not nearly as many as the production of animals for meat.
     

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