Mars or the Moon????

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by mananmater, Dec 21, 2009.

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mars or moon

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  1. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    I'm all for asteroid mining.
     
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  3. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    It's only 20 trillion at earth prices. As soon as you find another source, that value decreases.

    Plus of course, the cost of actually mining it, and returning it to earth his actually prohibitive.

    Oh, and if you wave your hand and say 'new technology' might make it economically viable, why wouldn't a similar increase solve the need to go to an asteroid?
     
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  5. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    One pot of money is science money and the other pot is war money. Space exploration is not the best use of science money. To some degree the space programs really were also for war purposes.

    War is the worst waste of money but that is a different subject.
     
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  7. mananmater Registered Member

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    Please, anybody who replies to this topic please stay on topic, if you believe space exploration isn't neccassery yuo shouldn't even be in the astrology section, so please stay on topic. As for tunneling on the moon, it is good ideal, another ideal is to send spaceships put with supplies such as the building materials for buildings and then goods such as food and the like, that way having everything ready when the astronauts get here, and please if your going to post on this topic either talk about the mars or moon, otherwise your wasting bandwith.
     
  8. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well,
    Humans living daily life in space and making exsploration is actually difficult for the common person, it requires a great deal of work to live in space, mainly because key points need to be learned, points that are not currently worked out by space agencies. In addition to that, those same points that have not been solved, have to be taught to the mass population. Other wise colonies on the Moon or Mars will just be for a limited number of people.

    Certainly without arguement the earth faces world catstrophy in its future, therefore without development in space travel the human race will meet its end. Ignorance of goverment to secure human existance in space is good enough reason to end the order of goverments that exist. As they are a failure to the human race.
    Generally it appears that the goverments of the world view the survial of a few as a way to preserve the human race and so they make no plans for the common human population. In other words most of you are just Dog meat if something should go wrong with or planet.
    I can tell you now that you do not have to be jealous of those that goverment picks for survial because the chances of their survial is Zero, meaning they won't make it, for all their conceit and self glory(ego) as better than the common man.
    It plainly requires mass population for a survial rate to exist, so a plan without the common man is a plan for failure. Soin end they have to take you to the Moon and to Mars in other words.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That assessment is based on what?

    Based on...?
    As usual your post is baseless nonsense.

    We don't have an astrology section.

    Do you mean "idea" or "ideal"?
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    If we are going to waste money way not on space exploration?
     
  11. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    In my opinion, the future of space travel belongs to private industry, not national programs. Take VirginGalactic, for example.
     
  12. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well,
    On the Moon we would exspect a active life form to to have a body weight of about 2.2 pounds. On Mars the exspected active life form would be 42.8 pounds.

    On the Moon this amounts to about the weight of a human fetus, one that still is in the womb, some infants, infants meaning human life form already born have survived with a body weight of as little as 1 pound,(incubators are required on earth for such small human life forms). So the Moon would not support completely a adult human being.
    The Moon however could be cultivated to accomadte Plant life and small aniamls that have a average adult body wieght of 2.2 pounds; small lizards, birds, insect,(open feild and lowland brush animals).
    If adult humans where in hibernation, or cyrogenically stored above 6 Celsius things might then become vivably conductive for use relative to a physical human presence for a duration of time on the moons surface. The nice thing about the moon is that Human Gentic material at least remains stable as a chemical. It may also be that devices are invented in the future that make the moon more liviable (such as Supporting adult human life).

    Mars having a active life form body weight of 42.8 pounds, woulds be able to keep the bones of a adult human being active, but the tissue of the human body such as muscels would deteriate. or otherwise the human would become a blob,(a seriously dumb creature). Consider a child that weighs 42.8 pounds for a comparison of the type of behavior the life form would have on mars.
    If we sent adult humans to mars we would exspect that we should treat them as a 42 pound child, so then they should need simular accomodations.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And now you're confusing weight with mass.
    The "point" you make is specious and invalid.

    As has been pointed out to on previous occasions: 6 degrees Celsius is NOT a cryogenic temperature.

    Human genetic material remains stable as a chemical?

    Weight is not mass.
     
  14. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Virgin Galactic? Grandiose name when they are aiming to put people into sub orbital flight, that's all.

    Industry cannot bear the cost of space exploration alone, as there is the cost/benefit problem. Ie, lots of cost, and almost zero benefit.
     
  15. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    That is why it is called improvement
    R&D firms are working on new propulsion techniques, and technologies and such; eventually this will mean lower costs, which will make it economically viable to go into space.

    Tourism will probably be the first major space industry, followed by real estate and private housing for the wealthy. Eventually, however, mining, energy, H-3 mining, etc and the sort will become economically viable, especially if we colonize other parts of the solar system
     
  16. Blindman Valued Senior Member

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    THATS ALL? the first american in space only got slightly longer in space.
    Space anywhere above (100km+)

    oh thats right you Americans declared that to be an astronaut you only had to go above approx 80km(50miles). That means America is the only nation that can have astronauts that never entered space.

    Go Virgin. I know what Ill be doing when I win a lotto supper draw.
     
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  17. mananmater Registered Member

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    Okay, as for the privatization of space it i sunrealistic, there just not really willing to pay for true space exploration, there just trying to make another quick buck, truth be told, the government does not have any money so thee hands are tied when it comes to space, and all the money they do give is going to classified programs, it is truly primitive to not care about space, (it's ashame we live in such a world that people actually act like were still in the age of the catholic church saying the sun goes arond the earth, anyways, nasa needs the funding to go much further and right now is still in research, the funding is to get this information available to the public and to test there observations, as for those who don't like nasa thats your problem, but we will one day hit mars and colonize the moon, sorrows lingers in the night but joy comes in the morning, we just have to be patient, please continue to post.
     
  18. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Private space travel is not unrealistic. It will be similar to the colonization and economic drives that enticed Europeans to come to the New World.
     
  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Blah blah blah. If that were true, Alan Bond and Reaction Engines Limited would have the investors they need to get their designs into production. But guess what? There is no significant return, so there are no investors.

    Virgin Galactic profits are not guaranteed, projections are hard to find, but the cost of the SpaceShip2 was estimated at about $100m, but parts of it haven't even been finalised yet, like the actual hybrid engine which is still under development. On top of these R&D costs, there are about 600 staff to pay, and that number will increase once they finish the space port. We are talking probably two hundred successful launches before break even, realistically, assuming enough customers can be found.

    Housing, in orbit? On the Moon? You are delusional, really. A trip to the ISS costs upwards of $20m. The cost of getting accommodation into space? Well, the ISS so far has been nearly 12 years in construction, and cost estimates vary between $35Bn and $100Bn. Please tell me which wealthy individual is going to fork out that kind of money for their own pleasure? OK, so you handwave and say it will get cheaper thanks to new technology. I think you forget the profit element, and recovering R&D expenditure, which with pitch that figure upwards, if anything.

    You are starting to read like bad Sci Fi now.
     
  20. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    So what are we going to do about space? People will have to R&D eventually.
     
  21. kmguru Staff Member

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    Somewhere I posted this idea and was shot down. Here it is again....
     
  22. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    Don't worry, China will take care of it.
     
  23. mananmater Registered Member

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    We must better are rockets before we can explore space more deeply, and we must stop using nasa for developement of space age body armor and guns that convert sand to glass bullets and start using them for space, sob please continue to post.
     

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