MySQL creator launches bid to block Oracle Sun deal

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  1. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    I haven't coded a database in many years, and the one I did was painfully simple and pretty useless. If the big corps buy up all the popular free DBs, it'll be painful for folks to bring some new up to where MySQL is these days.
     
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  3. kmguru Staff Member

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    Relational Databases at the core are fairly simple like electric motors. So, bored grad student can create a new one. Look at Linux. We are still in the dark ages when it comes to Databases and even OSes.

    People will adapt. Has anyone noticed that we are slowly moving towards cloud computing which will have the same business model as IBM did in seventies? Then there will be no open source period.
     
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  5. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Well if you mean the move to VMware...vitual machines and cycle sharing on Mainframes... There is plenty of open source to be found.

    Open source became possible because of the internet, not because of PCs or client-server.
     
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  7. kmguru Staff Member

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    Does not matter. Who ever owns the hardware owns your balls....and if the hardware is moving to the cloud...well...you are screwed.
     
  8. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    fuck I don't care I learned on mainframes...can code cobol again I guess. Hardware = real sales - isn't that good?
     
  9. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    It's not that simple kmguru. For example - you could easily port into certain servers to utilize the Linux and Unix like fringe of Cloud Computing.

    The death of personal computing for the majority doesn't mean the death of personal computing for all. Hundreds of thousands of people still use UseNet and though nearly all of the free secure shell hosts are pay-per-byte, they still exist.

    I'm sure all of Europe will be creating anti-trust laws if cloud computing ever becomes an issue; for example, hosts may not prevent access to other hosts or disadvantage them.

    If it ever becomes really big you'll probably see people clustering to the host type they need. Mathematicians will amalgamate at certain hosts because of their platform, physicists, casual computer users, foreign languages...etc.

    If you produce the best software for the job, people will come to you, that's how it's always been. Windows is hands down the best OS for usability and functionality. MAC is the best OS for Media editing. Linux is not the best at anything. Unix is the best at stable hosting.
     
  10. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    MAybe companies will have in house I.T and programmers more now too - it would be cheaper.
     
  11. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    The idea of Windows being the king of ease of use is a myth.

    Hard to see around your own social conditioning on such a matter though.

    Linux boxes, other *nix boxes, Mac, and Windows boxes have been taken to retirement communities for testing. Only people who had literally never touched a computer in their life were in the test. They were told to open a text editor, type "hello world", and print it out.

    Windows did not win, in fact it was found to be counterintuitive by the testers.

    Windows is more troublesome on install than many flavours of open source OS's for years now. Keeping Windows in a functioning state takes more time, money, and effort thna many open source OS's, or Mac, or Unix stuff.

    But when you take people socially conditioned to a concept and ask them to do something different, they usually react with some flavour of 'this is harder' due to them not being familiar and conditioned to it. Very few people have the ability to see past what they are conditioned to.
     
  12. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    Back on topic.

    I hate the idea of of Oracle getting its hands on Sun, or MySQL. What a disaster that would be.
     
  13. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    You can be as akhzer as you wish. I've had a running Linux machine for 7 years and when I've needed it I had a Unix box. I think Windows is more intuitively simpler for most tasks and a bunch of old-folks who've never touched a computer before aren't going to change my mind. It has nothing to do with "social conditioning", it has to do with you being an 3_le3t1zt [I mock you]. Knock it off.
     
  14. kmguru Staff Member

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    How many people here have their own personal internet without paying a monthly fee? The cloud computing is basically a subscription based computing like good old days when you paid IBM for their CPU time.

    As to the OP - If Oracle does not buy Sun, Sun would be dead. I tried to help Sun many years ago, but they did not understand the new trends in business computing in the Business Intelligence arena same way SGI did not, even though at the time they had one of the best software called Mineset.

    The next trend would be Knowledge Management, but there are no independent companies out there that can stand up and be noticed.
     
  15. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    I'm sure they'll make it work. Maybe you'll lease your COAX line but your ISP will be your Cloud Provider, and current ISP's will simply lease to Clouds. It would save them a ton of money on customer service.

    Really Sun's that much in the brink? I had an old Sparc86 for a while running Solaris. It was a good setup...and last time I checked I thought they were on the 'cutting edge' of cloud computing for corporate.
     
  16. kmguru Staff Member

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    Sun flat lined a while ago

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  17. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    As I said: people conditioned to view things, many different things in a certain way, are almost never able to see around it. That's the power of social conditioning. "It has nothing to do with social conditioning." Wave to Cleopatra for me will you? She should be drifting by any moment now.

    If you, more importantly most people, had been conditioned to using a *nix or Mac GUI or command line your whole life, most people would find Windows unwieldy, strange, and quite difficult to do many things with. Most notably the more powerful things computers are capable of. The lack of control or security would alarm most people.

    Microsoft was so envious of the Mac OS's ease of use and superior GUI they openly copied it for Windows 7. This is not a secret, Microsoft openly admitted it. They apparently disagreed with you on this topic.

    Rest assured most people would agree with you about Windows though. Take a guess as to why... here's a hint: because most people feel that way. It's a powerful thing.
     
  18. s0meguy Worship me or suffer eternally Valued Senior Member

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    i really dont like the idea of being forced into cloud computing, it would mean having practically no control over security and privacy, for one. imagine the possibilities for government oppression.
     
  19. kmguru Staff Member

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    IMHO, It is all about control over the masses. Some have it and most do not.
     
  20. Blue_UK Drifting Mind Valued Senior Member

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    Even if Oracle bought Sun, the community edition of MySQL would still be available surely?

    Also, there's always going to be some geeks here and there to build another free database (such as PostgreSQL).

    I think if you really need a DB that's more powerful than the free ones out there then you're probably in a position to pay for one and not worry - Microsoft have free ones, plus their web server version is cheap as chips.
     
  21. firdroirich A friend of The Friends Registered Senior Member

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    Luckily, mysql has already forked

    Im not so thrilled about the Oracle - Sun deal either. IBM would be a better choice (all things considered). Oracle is gonna kill mysql then JavaFX
     
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