Organising humanity's first colony in another star system.

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Scaramouche, Jan 7, 2010.

  1. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    Simple question: How would you organise our first colony? I mean, you've got your ship and various systems and protocols all worked out. Those who go will be stuck there on their own for a good long time, maybe years. The only thing left to decide is who gets to go. You have space for 200 people. Who goes, and why? What selection criteria would you use?

    My criteria:
    • All colonists should be from the same race and religion (or none). Doesn't matter if it's agnostics and atheists, or Muslims, Christians, Jews, whatever; as long as they're all the same. Maximising the chances of survival means minimising the possible divisions among them which might conceivably cause difficulties. Also, people are happier with, and function better among, people most like themselves.
    • Every one of them should have at least one university degree which could prove useful. No string theorists. I'm talking marine biology, environmental science, veterinary medicine, medicine, meteorology, et cetera.
    • Every one of them should have at least one practical skill. Mining, smithing, baking, hunting, pottery, tanning hides, and so on.
    • Every one of them should be heterosexual, willing to reproduce, and capable of reproduction. The second most important objective of a seed colony, after simply surviving, is reproduction.
    • No handicapped people. There are no concrete paths on that new planet. If you go in a wheelchair, the only thing you can do is get stuck in the mud and wait to die.
    • Every person should be as free as possible of hereditary diseases, syndromes, et cetera.
    • Every person should be free of any other freakin diseases and such which might negatively affect the colony.
    • Every person should be physically fit.
    • Every one of them should be 30 years old or younger. None over. We need people who can work for a good long time, and who can reproduce for a good long time.
    That's all I've got for now.
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Probably just a selection of scientists from diverse fields, doctors and engineers, and one android.
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    It really depends upon how long it would take the colonists to reach their destination. If we could develop a Star Gate that allows instantly going anywhere then any age would be fine.
     
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  7. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    Ok, I'll add the condition that they're pretty much on their own, at least for a few years.
     
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't we just grow genetically perfect people once we get there?, heck the technology should be ready by the time we ever get to another star system. Lets say we find a semi-habitable world, a planet with life already, why not just grow bioformed colonists for that world?
     
  9. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    I read a story once in which that was done. Was kinda cool.
     
  10. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    which most would only work for the first generation, after that humans being what they are these criteria would be worth zilch.
     
  11. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    Actually what it's worth is existence. You don't get a second generation unless they survive. Therefore you must give the first bunch the best possible chance of surviving.
     
  12. Blindman Valued Senior Member

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    Scaramouche

    How many, 50, 100, 1000, 10000. How many ships. Very risky to send them all in one ship.

    Under 30 does this include children?? What about the wisdom of age and leadership.

    Humans have many times in the past colonized various remote and inhospitable parts of this world. The main criteria has been effective command without which the best and brightest are reduced to a pack of monkeys. Weapons, soldiers, and leadership are a must.
     
  13. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    It all depends on how long they will be isolated and wat follows next:
    *If you want to send in many more imigrants then 80% would be miners and construction workers and 15% would be engineers the rest would serve as support workers. Here I would choose people in their 30-40 Who have lot's of experience in their profession, a clear bill of health and no children.

    * If you wan't to stay isolated, then young families are you best bet altough these will resembles communes and will by most people be frowned apon.

    * A scientific community on the other hand can be of any part of the population as you desire. And if their presence on the surface isn't required I would put them in orbit around it on a small captured NEO (these are Nearby objects that with a small course correction like the one the russians are planning now can be captured in a orbit around the planet).
    From this body they can teleoperate the entire surface and observe with as little as possible impact
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I would send robots, self-repairing self-replicating ones, makes thing simple. If we did somehow find a world viable for human colonization, I would just grow humans there, have copies of people here (Gnome, neural patterns) transmitted to the star system and grow them in new bodies.
     
  15. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    If your going to digitalise people you might as well stop their and let them life in some matrix like server parks of million oppon millions of earths. Somwhere in a appartment on our own earth, and send your self repairing robots out to terraform the universe, whilst you live in your virtual enviroment
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Bingo. Although a server on a asteroid would be a nicer place.
     
  17. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    lol
     
  18. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Scaramouche, you hit the nail on the head. Though, I say, why stop at these requirements only for another colony? These are great requirements for our nations here on earth.
     
  19. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Making them the same race and religion is pointless, as you can't prevent disagreement and division. Christianity is a Jewish cult, after all, and Islam is but a bastardized version of that. And each of those has a half a hundred different variations.
     
  20. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    That had better not be one of the Abrahamic religions. When they can't find somebody to fight with they just start killing each other over different interpretations of their holy book. As for the race issue, good goddess if we haven't gotten over that idiocy yet, then we shouldn't be contaminating outer space with it!
    You'd better have an artist or two. Of course they'll bring literature, music, etc., from earth, but once they become established they'll need to create their own.
    Bring some frozen embryos and increase the gene pool. 200 is a small colony and you want to maximize their survivability.
    Unless we get lucky and find some nearby planets that we've missed, or build some humongous engines that achieve a respectable percentage of the speed of light (accompanied by humongous fuel supplies), that voyage is going to take decades. Better plan on raising children on the ship and preparing them to take over leadership as the elders die off. The generation-starship is a common theme in sci-fi, for dealing realistically with interstellar distances at relativistic velocities.
    Let's stick to reality. It will take a major fraction of a lifetime, if not multiple lifetimes. If we have to go to the other side of the galaxy to find a new home, that will take a million years.
    The colonists who already left in the 21st century won't have access to 22nd-century technology when they finally touch down in the 23rd century.
    He said 200 people. Probably better to send the other ships off in other directions so that at least one will find a viable site.
    Yeah, obviously Mouche must be under thirty if he thinks this is going to work with a crew of 200 people--all under thirty!
    Or the main criterion could just have been luck! It's hard to believe that only two bands of curious, adventurous, and/or starving humans ever set out across Suez for Asia. (The ancestors of the Native Australians ca. 60KYA and the ancestors of all the rest of us non-Africans ca. 50KYA.) What happened to all those other happy campers?
     
  21. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    It is important to minimise the differences so as to maximise survivability. Making sure they're all from the same group in as many ways as possible is one way of achieving that. Yes, people will disagree over anything and everything. But not having them half Jews and half Muslims is going to remove one great big reason for conflict.
     
  22. Scaramouche Registered Member

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    Unnecessary. Weight restrictions will probably factor into who and what can be taken. Any people can create their own culture. Any of them can sing a song. If you've got a choice between an artist and an environmental scientist, or an artist and a potter, well, the artist is shit out of luck.

    Frozen embryos is a good idea too.

    I had suspended animation of some sort in mind, but either way.
     

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