Warhammer 40k Vs StarTrek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Fettman, Jun 4, 2007.

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Who would win?

  1. Warhammer40k

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  2. StarTrek

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  1. ricrery Banned Banned

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    Yes it would. It can take teratons as well as hurl them. Trek can't do that. I bet, all of the Borg, Starfleet, S8472, Dominion ships combined couldn't beat an escort.

    You don't know anything about 40k, do you? They can accelerate to tens of thousands of Gs, on fucking warships. Never seen Trek do that. Fuck, watch the "Fire Warrior Cutscene II" video on Youtube and watch as the Emperor turns with grace. W40k has EVERYTHING in its advantage.
     
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  3. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    And if you go by the BFG rule book, there are over 100 million ships now.
    There are 200-400 billion stars in the galaxy. A billion planets seems reasonable. Also, even though terraforming tech is lost now, humans had it for a pretty long time. There might be lots of terraformed worlds out there that were made habitable a long time ago.
     
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  5. ricrery Banned Banned

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    There are 200-400 billion stars.
     
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  7. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Woops, yes, I meant to say billion, not million. Thanks ricery.
     
  8. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    The Chaos Gods are given power and form by the thoughts and emotions of living beings. All ST needs is Kevin to decide he doesn't like WH40k Humans *poof* they're gone and good-bye Chaos Gods. This frees up Q to deal with the C'tan. Tech-wise, ST is screwed but hey... there are plenty of empty ghost ships where humans once were... voila! tech stealing!

    It would be pertinent to ask whether the Warp can be used to travel in the ST universe. Otherwise, it would only be the Necrons attacking ST and the rest of WH40k twiddling their thumbs.

    Note: I wouldn't say WH40k has magic. It's psychic energy taken from the Warp.
     
  9. ProphetofWisdom Almighty Tallest Registered Senior Member

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    1. That will weaken but not destroy the Chaos Gods unless all other beings in the universe are destroyed.

    2. Great, now the ST universe has a pissed off fully ascended God Emperor to deal with. The Chaos Gods, the C'tan, and the entire Q race wet themselves.
     
  10. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    1. All the Vulcans could get together and do a mind-meld with the Warp, possibly driving their entire race insane or actually crippling the chaos with cold hard logic.

    2. Do not use the term God Emperor for that cheap knock-off of Leto II. That aside, that would be interesting; the very thing you sought to protect for thousands of years suddenly gone in an instant.... that with the corrupting taint in the Warp... Maybe both universes would be annihilated in the ensuing whirlwind.
     
  11. ricrery Banned Banned

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    The Imperium alone has superior tech than the Feds. Necrons would stomp Star Trek hard.

    "Don't provoke the Borg!" says Q, seems like he is afraid of Borg or at least afraid of his son's power over the Borg.
     
  12. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, screw WH40k... ST has "red matter." Yes, since the new ST movie was an endorsed film it falls under the category as canon. Just because the main story takes place in an alternate timeline means squat. The 'red matter' came from the original ST timeline along with the original Spock. It would be a simple matter of converting the stuff into a weapon.

    Necron fleet closing in? Meh... fire the red matter torpedoes and lets get out of the way of the blackhole that remains.... I don't care... living metal is not going to survive a blackhole.
     
  13. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    I know more than ENOUGH ON WARHAMMER 40K BECAUSE I PLAY THE F*CKING GAME YOU PRICK.
     
  14. ricrery Banned Banned

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    I loled. The Imperium has Vortex Grenades. They act like black holes too. Hell, the Eldar Blackstone Fortresses can destroy 3,000 ly. It's so funny. That red matter is shit in comparison.

    Phase then teleport. Win.
     
  15. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    The ability to create instant black holes as weapons is merely about par with 40k standards.
     
  16. ricrery Banned Banned

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    Yeah. Ships jumping out of Warp space can destroy planets and star systems if they jump out close enough. Red Matter would be a low level superweapon at best.
     
  17. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    I just realized something. They wouldn't need to phase, the inertialess drive would protect them from the gravity well of the blackhole. Oh well.... it was an attempt, at least.
     
  18. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    And anyway, all the red matter was destroyed at the end of the movie. I guess it's possible that Future Spock knows how to make it and would be willing to share, but who knows?
     
  19. Renrue Someone Registered Senior Member

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    What would having no inertia do with escaping a black hole?

    Having no inertia is somewhat an impossibility, so we wouldn't ever know what kind of effect gravity would have on it. Even if it could be possible, we cannot achieve or test it. Merely saying gravity cannot pull an inertialess mass would be highly unprovable. We do know only one thing though: Only Hawking radiation is the only thing known to escape a black hole. Is there a source that states Necrons can avoid gravity or better yet, a black hole?

    I also don't understand why "phasing" out of could prevent the pull of a black hole either. I'm not a big WH40K buff, so there could be some source in some book that could prove phasing from reality could escape gravity. However, I recall wraiths "phase out" but could "move" through real space. This presents a lot of problems though. Take for instance all planetary bodies are in constant motion. If wraiths truly phase from "reality," then they would no longer be affected by the gravity of the planet, and thus would not be affected by its speed of orbit or rotation. Technically then, the wraith would be stuck at a true point of rest where the planet would continue on a relative motion to its star and galaxy flying away from the wraith at tremendous speeds, while everything else on the planet stays without flinging off due to gravity and [drumroll] inertia.

    But they don't get to test all those questions about why we don't get flung off the earth or feel the orbit of the earth. We can assume a wraith's phasing is still affected by the gravity of the planet. So then a Necron ship phasing in front of a black hole would not prevent it from still being pulled by gravity, a warpage of the space-time fabric itself. Unless you phase from the actual universe to another universe, they would still be in the universe and thus still be affected by certain universal things like gravity.
     
  20. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    They have infinite acceleration with such a drive. It's based off of Newtonian physics from what I've gathered, and somehow einstein is thrown out the window by their engines. How it is done can only be described as "magic" because our understanding of the universe can't form an answer.

    The inertialess drive allows them to accelerate away from the singularity. Hypothetically, if they were to be able to survive within the blackhole long enough for them to initiate their engines, they could accelerate beyond the blackhole's escape velocity in an instant.

    I'm skeptical of phasing, as well. Inertialess drive is their method of interstellar travel, I doubt they would be able to use it practically on planet.

    I agree, but they are able to match its pull in their ships. Phasing could allow them to retain their form in a gravity well as great as a blackhole... I'm just throwing out conjectures though.
     
  21. Renrue Someone Registered Senior Member

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    If a black hole opens up next to them, the gravity would most likely instantly tear the ship into a thin noodle, regardless of how strong the ship's materials are. Even if they were to unlikely activate their drives, I assume a huge chunk of the ship would be left behind.

    I'm not here to defend Star Trek, I here to defend physics, which appears to be the enemy of Warhammer 40k, rather than an ally like with Star Trek.

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    Of course. I was just stating that phasing would not prevent the pull of a black hole. I added inertia to show that the combination of an inertialess drive plus phasing would not escape the effects of gravity.

    There's no point. Black holes are almost the most powerful cosmic event barring a warp storm (an in-universe event). Battle barges bust planets, but never can perform an event as to Death Star a planet in an instant. A black hole can do this and even more. And a Necron ship was taken down at Mars by these very same non-black hole weapons by the Imperium of Man. So we can pretty much assume black hole weaponry are not on par to WH40K weapons (but greater), although some races do use analogous weapons such as the Eldar D-Cannon at a smaller scale.
     
  22. ricrery Banned Banned

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    I loled! Most physics in Trek are made up bullshit!
     
  23. ricrery Banned Banned

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    Ever heard of Warp Storms? A ship jumping out of the Warp near a planet or star can consume them. There is a massive some thousand light year Warp Storm called the Eye of Terror. Not to mention the Blackstone Fortresses which can create Warp Storms too.
     

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