Abortion

There is expressing opinions and doing what you are doing.

Actually, yes, you have been.

And by what you have been ranting in this thread, if given the choice or ability, you would if you could.

You survived an abortion? Because based off your rantings in this thread, one can only assume that you have never exercised your free choice to end a pregnancy. And that is your right to do so. Just as it is your personal and free right to terminate a pregnancy if you so choose. No one is going to judge you either way. That's the thing with pro-choice Lori. We don't judge you for making your own choice, regardless of how you choose. Unfortunately you don't seem to get that. You are judging people based on their opinions of 'pro-choice'.. God forbid how you would judge someone who had an abortion. It is not your place to judge. It is none of your business what a woman decides to do with her womb. If she decides to empty it, it is her choice. Not yours. It's none of your business what she does. The only womb you should concern yourself with is your own. If you disagree with abortions don't get one. But don't think for one second that you are in a place to judge others for being pro-choice or for getting one if they decide to get one.

That's right. It is personal. To you. Your demands and desires that women not get abortions is your personal opinion. Therefore, you should never have an abortion. But it is not your place to demand that women around the world not get one if they so choose. That is what you cannot seem to quite grasp in this debate. You can have whatever opinion you damn well please. But when you start abusing members because they think that women should have the right to choose, then you are taking the personal and trying to ram it down other people's throats. When you start imposing your personal beliefs on me, then yes, I will get shitty. It is my right to choose if I decide to. Your personal opinion means squat. Why? Because it is your personal opinion.

Your actions in this thread shows that you are not okay with that Lori.

I'm sorry, but how is my getting an abortion if I chose to, going to impact on your life? What consequences could you possibly "reap" if I get an abortion?

Abortion is a personal matter and frankly, people should take their personal opinions and apply it only to themselves. If a woman decides to get an abortion, it is her personal choice and no one should have the right to demand or accuse her of anything for that choice. In short, when it comes to abortions, mind your own damn business.

Again. This is your personal opinion. If you think it is selfish to be pro-choice or to have an abortion, then don't have one. If a woman decides differently, it's none of your business if she is selfish or not. It's not your body but hers.

Oh please. You have been spouting hatred to anyone who dares voice the opinion of pro-choice on this site. No one has solicited your opinion in this. You are ramming it down people's throats and trying to jam it up their backsides and the collective vagina's of women repeatedly on this site. I really don't care what your experience with abortion is. If you've had one, your business. If you haven't had one, again, your business. Get it? It's none of my business if you have one or not. Just as it is none of your business and not your place to judge others for having the opinion that women should have the right to choose or if they make that choice.

I don't think you quite understand the concept or notion of "rights".

Personal opinion. Ergo, don't have one if you feel that way or have one. Not anyone's business but your own.

Yep. And my mother decided to not flush me down the toilet. Again, it was her choice. Then again, at that time, I was not a person.

I'm sorry, but a 6 week old embryo is not a person. Not by any stretch of the imagination. You need to define what is a person.

Which is often flushed out before the woman or mother even knows she's pregnant. That's dna and that's nature.

Personal opinion. Again, has no bearing here as it is your personal opinion and not something you should be ramming up our collective vagina's as though it is fact.

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Uh huh..

So you are ranting, insulting and demeaning people because of...?

Really? So tell me, why are you carrying on like some demented religious nutbag in this thread, calling anyone pro-choice murderers and even sluts?

Again, none of my business what you did Lori. It's your choice. You exercised it and then decided it was the wrong choice later on down the line. Your business. It is not your place to now abuse and insult other women for wanting to have the same choices you have and then saying it's your personal opinion. You notice I am not judging you for having made that choice? But thus far you've called me a "pro-abortionist" and a murderer because I believe women should have the right to a choice, a choice you freely made and exercised. Do you not see the hypocrisy of your argument yet? No one here gives a shit if you decided to terminate a pregnancy. Your uterus, your business. And yet, you've called others here sluts and murderers when they expressed the opinion that women such as yourself should have the right to choose.

Abortion is a political issue because people such as yourself are constantly attempting to remove the choice you exercised from other women, for the reasons you are now against it. That is political. Your argument and your vitriol is political.

I really don't give a flying fuck what your opinion on abortion is. But when you start calling others sluts and murderers for having the opinion that women should have the right to choose, like you did, then yeah, I'm going to tell you to shove it up your backside.

If you were a "huge advocate of freedom", you would not judge others for exercising the freedom to choose if they feel it necessary. If you were such a "huge advocate of freedom", you would not call people whores and murderers for saying that women like yourself should have the right to choose. But then, you were expressing a personal opinion, right? You didn't really call her a whore, right? You were just "generalising"..

Again, your religious beliefs are your own. Not everyone is religious or believes in some "higher power". Not scientific fact dearie, sorry to break it to you.

Again, how is what I decide to do with my uterus going to impact on you personally?

What if said child turns into a mass murderer or serial killer or paedophile. Each time you menstruate, you're getting rid of a potential life saver or life taker Lori. Tell me, do you weep over your pads every month...'Oh the humanity.. there goes the next Sister Theresa'..? Women abort naturally all the time, half the time they don't even know they were pregnant... how does that affect you personally?

You'll have to go back to the OP for that one Lori.

So why call me a murderer Lori?

Why make the "generalising" comment and refer to VI as a whore, Lori?

Who gave you the right to judge what choices I or any other women make in their lives?

I have read the OP. Nowhere did it state that you were being solicited to give the opinion that women who have sex and are pro-choice are whores and murderers.

You can't discuss this issue. That is plainly obvious. You have been so abusive that VI has put you on ignore. You have gone beyond what is acceptable VI. People have differing opinions all the time. You are so abusive and that bad that people end up having to put you on ignore. VI's never had an abortion and you've called her a murderer because she thinks women should have the right to choose. You've called me a murderer for the same reason and I've never had an abortion either. You don't even know what my personal opinion on abortion actually is, but you have seen fit to judge me as being a "pro-abortionist" and a murderer, because I dare have the opinion and belief that women such as you and I and every other woman out there should have the right to exercise their choice as you have done.

And that is what you just can't seem to grasp. No one is pro-abortion Lori. We are pro-choice. I, for one, believe that women should be granted the right to choose for themselves, just as you had chosen in the past and they should be free to do so without being judged or branded as murderers. You know, respect a person's freedom..?

That is correct. And if I want to terminate a pregnancy, it is my right to do so, just as it was your right to do so. What you do and what choice you exercise if your own business, just as what I do and what choices I choose to exercise is my business. You don't own my uterus, just as I do not own yours and thus, you have no say over what I do with it. To be honest with you, I don't even have the right to an opinion over what choices you make regarding your reproductive rights Lori.

Then learn to discuss without calling people whores and murderers because they believe in the right to choose.

Knowing my mother, I doubt she had sex with any fish or trees. But at 12 weeks in her womb, I was not a person. I had no rights. Her body could choose to flush me out at any time it so chose whether she wanted it to or not and I'd still have no choice.

Do you think a zygote is a person like you are a person? Should it have the same rights and protection as you have? In that if a woman naturally aborts a zygote, she would be held responsible and have to be investigated because she terminated the life of a person? For example, if anyone kills you, they are committing murder. Why? Because you are a person. If anyone kills a zygote, it's not murder. Zygotes are destroyed on a daily basis, be it in the human body or petri dish.. Yet I don't see you protesting outside university campuses or medical facilities..? A zygote is not a person and is not granted the rights that you are granted as a person, Lori.

I don't need to rationalise anything about "killing" a 6week old embryo Lori. You don't even know what my personal opinion on abortion is for myself. Yet you deem yourself worthy to judge me for saying that you and all women should have the right to choose.

A 6 week old embryo is often flushed in a 'late period'... If that 6 week embryo was a person, than every time a woman had her period, she'd have to be investigated. Most women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. I know I didn't. I was just into week 7 when I realised the flu was not really the flu.. You can carry on and on about how it is a person, but in reality.. you know? The real world? A 6 week old embryo is not given any rights as a person or individual. It is not recognised as being a human being.

Now I know in Lori land you can hold and cuddle a 6 week old embryo because it's just so darn cute and such a little person with a personality, but in real life land, that's not the case.

A 6 week old embryo is not a 20, 30, 40 year old Lori. I would have thought that would have been obvious to you by now.

That is a very serious charge Lori. Can you tell me, who or what I have murdered? Do you have proof that I have murdered someone... anyone? I expect links to reports or case of my so called murderous crime, Lori.

 

I am strange in that I always require people show proof when they accuse me of something like murder. So I'd suggest you find said proof.

The way you're carrying on at the moment thankfully does not represent religious people everywhere. If you did, I suspect they'd find you and flay the skin from your body for making them look like a retarded lunatic.

Yes, people are murderers. But until you have proof that anyone in this particular thread has committed murder, I'd suggest you shut up with the accusations as you are making yourself look like a twat.

I think it is a tragedy that you have such a terrible and lowly view of yourself. I would suggest you get some counselling. Actually scratch that. I suggest you get a hell of a lot of counselling because you seem to need a hell of a lot of it.

I'm judging you? Lets see, you have called me a murderer and you accuse me of judging you? That's interesting.

You are telling people what to do in the manner in which you accuse them of being whores, sluts and murderers if they don't do as you say or don't believe as you say.

What does that say about you, Lori?

Jesus..

You seriously need to get some professional help Lori.

And you have proof that the people in this thread who are pro-choice are sluts and murderers? Links please..

You have proof that I am either? Links please..

Yes, it's everyone else and not you...

Hmmm...

Oh I know the difference. The thing is, do you understand the difference and what can happen if we start classifying a week old zygote as a "person"?

Where am I advocating murder? Links? Where have I told anyone to go out and kill another person? Links?

Or are we existing in Lori Land again and you are projecting yourself onto me?

Whatever venom she may have spewed was in response to you. You called her a whore and a murderer when she is neither. What kind of response do you expect to get when you act like someone so hateful and so unbalanced?

You mean you're not? Lori, you have such a horrible view of yourself that I am terrified to even answer you properly because you seem so mentally unstable.

No one has the right to refer to someone as a whore or a murderer Lori, especially when the other person has done nothing wrong. You are taking this so seriously that you have lost any amount of good sense you may have had.

Now, so you think a zygote is just as much as a human being as an infant, toddler, adolescent or adult? How would you implement those rights? What kind of protection should they get according to those rights? How would you investigate whether a termination was natural or not? If you are going to give them as much rights, then you need to enforce said rights. Would you be happy to have a bloodtest each time you menstruated to prove that you did not terminate a human being?

I say what a woman does with her womb or its contents is really none of my business.

You still can't discuss it.

In actuality, I don't think you should discuss it.

That's funny, you're carrying on and on about how society is doomed and about how we will all be judged by God and you act selfishly and think that you'll somehow escape the wrath of your God. I'm amused.

Seriously, get some help.

Ah, but if you give a zygote the right of a person, then you will be investigated each time you so much as start to spot. Get it yet?

Again, you are projecting what you think I believe about abortion.

It is a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy. Does not make her a slut, whore or murderer.

Where have I advocated or committed murder Lori? Links?

Now, I won't be responding to you again in this thread. Frankly, I think you are mentally unstable and what you have said about yourself in that post.. I really don't think you can mentally cope with this discussion.

I honestly do think you need to get some professional help. It is not healthy to have such a twisted view of yourself Lori. I am not being malicious when I say this. I am saying it because you seriously need some help.