Abortion

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Of course not. Expecting good science from a pro-choicer is like excepting a chick who is a Puritan to put out.

Good! Sidestep the blatant inconsistencies in your views! Ignore the fact that born babies are also glorified parasites! Brush over the implications of such a view!

You aren't disappointing me, Mr. Pro-choicer.

No. Almost every pro-choicer I have ever encountered attempts to justify abortion by treating the fetus as a non-entity, a parasite, a blob of cells, non-life, non-human, etc. To them, a fetus is a lump of shit putrifying in the woman's sacred womb, and to suggest otherwise results in them responding with outrage.

No. I just find the blatant hypocrisy shown by pro-choicers to be rather entertaining. Watching them menstruate over my proposal was *hilarious*, especially when hardly a peep was heard over Fraggle's repeated proposals to ban men from discussions on abortion.

Pro-choicers are enormous hypocrites who are incapable of thinking logically.

Personal happenings? Moderation? I'm simply citing evidence as to how easy it is to enrage pro-choicers.

Oh no, don't report me! Anything but that!

Haha. Typical pro-choicer trying to censor opposing views.

Why would I use evidence to back up my statements? No-one else on this thread has, including the pro-choicers. Why do you place such high and exclusive standards on me?

Oh wait, I forgot. Pro-choicers are hypocrites.

 

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Bells would disagree with you. To be fair, you aren't accountable for Bells views, but the fact still remains that *many* pro-choicers regard the fetus as non-human, or even not alive.

I believe they sometimes have similar discussions about black people on S tormfront.

It depends on the pro-lifer, and it depends on the life.

Pro-choicers aren't really concerned with 'choice', anyway. For example, they almost always want to take away a father's choice as to whether he will pay child support.

No, just matter of the fact observation.

Hopefully not the same education you have had.

 

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Classy.

Who's ignoring that fact? I was the one who stated it in the first place.

Thank you?

But I'm not outraged. You have your right to an opinion, as do I, which is something you seem to forget.

As far as I know we've never had any contact on the forums, so how could you possibly know if I was a hypocrite? (I am as are you).

...So said the most irate scifer of the day.

What evidence?! All I've seen on your part are hasty generalizations and angry retorts aimed at defacing my character more so than actually discussing anything in this forum.

So earlier in your post you said you were citing evidence, now you say you aren't... So which is it?

Shocking to see my reflection in your mirror, huh?

 

'woman's sacred womb'

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What about the man's jism? Is that sacred too?

@Lori

You say people are murderers and people are sluts. Since you have had an abortion is that what you thought of yourself? As a murdering slut? I can't help feeling that your highly emotional reaction against pro choicers or those who choose an abortion is really a projection. You are not really condemning the choices of others as much as you are condemning yourself. And please I don't want to hear about your higher power or whatever as its irrelevant.

 

I applaud you for that.

 

Oh, quit whining

Maybe the anti-choice jackboots should offer up something other than straw men.

I think one of the things you're seeing, Mordea, is the effect of people being expected, for nearly forty years at least, to maintain a respectful and utilitarian dialogue with those who have no use for either respect or utility.

So make sure you let us all know when you, or any other misogynist, wannabe fascist promoter of myth and hatred, come up with something useful.

Seriously, when the "pro-life" crowd simply repeats itself over and over again for decades, they should neither expect to be taken seriously, nor be offended when people dismiss as ridiculous yet another reiteration of myths and fallacies that have already been addressed countless times in the public discourse.

 

No thanks, Bells has already made her stance quite clear in this very thread. You *did* read her posts before commenting, right? Especially the bits where she contested my claims that the fetus is human life?

No. When they refer to the fetus as a blob of cells, a parasite, a non-human, non-life, they mean exactly that.

I would say that using vague and ambiguous terms is a sign of poor education, or possibly even a dishonest mind which wishes to obfuscate.

Not really. Arbitrary distinctions are used to justify stripping away a human's right to life.

By 'covered', you mean stereotyped, oversimplified and misrepresented?

Ahh, I see. Then the woman also has the choice to abort. I'm all for prosecuting them, of course.

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My my, don't we have a very high opinion of ourselves? No, I'd rather avoid your sort of education, since I don't want to become a menstruating drone.

 

It is the anti-life maniacs who feel the need to misrepresent anyone who would dare place a child's life above a woman's convenience.

Yes, I see that a lot with pro-lifers. They tolerate an inordinate amount of bullshit from pro-choicers without a clue.

Perhaps they are compelled to repeat themselves because pro-choicers lack the intellect and integrity to grasp simple logic and argumentation?

 

(I'm very sorry, I did have a grip on this thread, but good God, I was gone a few days...100+ new posts *sigh* :shrug

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Anyway, did you happen to mention somewhere in the last few hundred posts whether you believe birth-control (whether it be rhythm method, the pill, a condom or otherwise) has a place in God's plan at all?

Obviously you do/did believe in "after-the-fact" birth control (A.K.A. Abortion) for some (Read "Lori" here) women, sometimes, right? Or do you now just beg for forgiveness every night?

I mean, after all, you claim "well i was a slut, and i was a murderer. i also happen to know a lot of sluts and a lot of murderers." Besides hanging out with good company, don't you think it possible that some of these "sluts" and "murderers" might just be on the right side of the fence, leaving you dangling with your ...ummm.... buttocks on the wrong side? How can you possibly speak for the millions of men and women that take the responsibility of utilizing effective birth-control, much less degrade them, especially when you are a murderess slut?

Wouldn't it behoove us all to use "pre-conceptive" control of some sort, or is your current stance that every baby possible should be born? So every chickie should open their legs as often as possible? For as many men as possible? [I am beginning to see an upside here...

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If not, how do you feel about destroying the entire ecosystem of the planet, which we seem well on the way to doing?

You remind me of Pronatalist.... We can't just have a baby every time we have sex, nor is it reasonable to expect people to stop, or even curtail, having sex - it's too much fun! Now you can wail on about how we should be "responsible" when fornicating... but... guess what... we're not going to do so.

Isn't the next best alternative to employ birth-control? Still beats abortion right?

[As to the OP - I believe a woman has the right to decide - as I have stated in this thread some hundreds of posts ago, but wished to reiterate here for the sake of clarity_]

 

Not the developmental differences themselves. However, the application of these differences to determine 'personhood', and a being's right to life, is arbitrary.

Indeed. I suggest you eat a slice of humble pie. You aren't as intelligent as you think. Nor are you that good at arguing in a logical and coherent fashion.

Exactly. Menstruation is a natural *female* anatomical function. For it to occur in a man would be a bit of a concern.

Which is why you once belittled me when I clearly stated that I would form my own opinion from the available evidence, instead of simply kowtowing to what the 'experts' said? Intellectual snobbery at its best.

 

No. You've repeatedly contested my claims that a fetus is human life. Now you're singing James R's tune.

Not "human". Human. It is human, whether you find such a fact inconvenient or not.

As *you* would define a person. Some don't consider blacks to be people. Mothers who drown their newborns might also argue that babies are not people. Individuals with mental handicaps were sterilised and experimented on because they were not regarded as people.

Given how arbitrary the definition of 'person' is, I think it's much safer to just extend the right to life to *all* humans.

If by clear, you mean that you stated the exact opposite, then yeah, you were.

The same privileges? No. The right to life? Sure.

Yes. Because now it is life vs. life, and not life vs. convenience.

Not really. It's quite rare.

However, I was told about an event where a mother was in a similar position. She had cancer which had metastasised. She was given the option of delivering (with a high probability of death), or terminating the pregnancy and undergoing aggressive chemotherapy. She went through with the delivery, and died. She had a husband and children.

Do you think it was appropriate for her to sacrifice her life, leave her husband without a wife, and her children without a mother, for a "non-person"?

 

there were plenty in the day ... scientifically backed too (jaw structure, etc to cognitive ability... )

Can we compare it over an eight month period, bereft of artificial interference?
Or even, can we compare it to a dead 6 week old fetus to triangulate our findings?