Peadophillia. Forgive the strong subject.

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Danny G, May 20, 2010.

  1. dazzlepecs Registered Senior Member

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    i know this is a twisted thing to say but are children really that damaged by molestation?? If there is no physical trauma it seems victims are forced to feel abused by the status quo hysteria, moreso than is probably a fleeting moment of "ick!!"
     
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  3. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Psychologists, teachers and social workers (my wife was a social worker for most of her career) tell me that the experience damages them in two ways:
    • It interferes with and distorts the maturation of their sexuality. They are taught that sexual activity is merely a game like hopscotch or hide-and-seek. As they reach puberty and begin to feel sexuality as both a physical and emotional motivation, they are caught in a quandary between what they feel and what they "know." This confusion can be very damaging to their search for adulthood.
    • Their faith in adults is compromised. As soon as they learn that the grownups they trusted had been taking advantage of their naivete to satisfy urges which they, at the time, could not understand and which they, as adolescents, finally do understand, they can very easily lose their trust in the entire adult community. Many years after the fact when they learn that sexual activity is supposed to be consensual and everyone has the right to refuse it, and that most healthy people insist on exercising that right, they realize that they were, in legal language, raped. This does not prepare them for productive and harmonious membership in civilization, in which everyone needs to exercise at least a bare minimum level of care and dependence on each other.
    So while the impact of pedophilic activity may indeed be rather mild during childhood, it grows into something that can be extremely damaging when the child reaches puberty, and without successful treatment it can result in a highly impaired adult. And just like any other type of child abuse, at the very worst it can breed a next-generation of abusive adult.
     
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  5. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    A few months ago this was gone over to death in another thread (maybe ethics and morality? It's been long enough that I've forgotten and can't easily find it), complete with citations from peer-reviewed criminology and psychology journals. The bottom line is that the thing about most rape being more about power/violence than about sex isn't really true - it's just one of those "truisms" that have been repeated by laypeople so often that it's uncritically assumed to be true.

    Actual scientific investigations (or at least, as scientific as you can be when investigating something like a person's subjective internal motivations) show that there is actually a wide spectrum of motivations for rape. Some rapists are motivated mainly by a desire to hurt people, dominate, and do violence and rape is merely a tool to that end. Others are motivated by a desire for sex, and rape is merely an easy and free way to obtain it. Still others are sexually aroused by having power over others, and the power issues were inseparable from the sexual issues. As for it being safer and easier to obtain sex from a prostitute, criminals are commonly willing to engage in risky behavior to obtain things that they could have gotten legally and much more easily by paying money.

    With that in mind, I would be very reluctant to generalize pedophiles as merely looking for an easy way to dominate people. It seems likely to me that as with "conventional" rapists, there is probably a wide range of complicated motivations.
     
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  7. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Any kind of abuse leads to problems, but sexual abuse is particularly associated with suicide attempts.

    http://www.aaets.org/arts/art31.htm
     
  8. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    But when other factors (family situation, economic background, non-sexual physical abuse, etc) are controlled for, the impact is small to zero.

    http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.htm

    The sort version is that most kids who are sexually abused come from already-terrible family backgrounds, and that these other factors are much more important than whether or not they are sexually abused in determining whether or not they will be maladjusted later in life. Don't get me wrong, sexually abusing children is terrible - but in terms of how much it impacts the child's mental health later in life, being physically abused or even just emotionally neglected if far worse. These scientific findings are very much at odds with society's attitudes; the guy who sexually abuses a child is an inhuman monster, while the guy who comes home from the bar drunk and beats his kids is merely an asshole who you probably wouldn't want to be friends with - even though the kids of the abusive alcoholic are far more likely to have mental health problems, suicide attempts, etc. later in life.
     
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  9. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Idiot, but no worse.

    If she is old enough that she is a sexual being and can give consent as opposed to being manipulated into something she is too young to comprehend...that's moronic given the social context it's in, but no worse. That 13 or 14 year old has agency too. She has the power to say no.
     
  10. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Seriously? It's the male fear of becoming a cuckold.

    Females are always certain that they are indeed the biological parent of their offspring, but (prior to the existence of paternity tests), the only way a man could be sure he was the biological father to his children was to take measures to ensure that his spouse never engaged in intercourse with other men.

    A female with a high sex drive (nymphomaniac) is much more likely to get knocked up by some other man. Thus the proscription.

    As to the thread topic, I recently heard a story about Florida's law requiring that sex offenders not live within 2500 feet of schools, daycare centers, etc has resulted in sex offenders being forced to live under a bridge.

    The story I heard on the radio said that probation officers were literally dropping these guys off on the bridge and telling them that they were required to live under it or violate their probation.

    There were no provisions made for them at all and they were essentially being forced to become homeless and live in boxes.

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  11. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Oh NOW I know why it's so socially wrong for a woman to like sex.

    I guess *love* is fine since it tends to be something you do with just one person at a time. But pure sex as opposed to love is less bonding; she might be doing it with someone else too.
     
  12. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    I sometimes wonder about AOC laws. As previously mentioned, sixteen is legal in the UK, but is two years away from legal here - but I'm unaware of any evidence of terrible consequences in the UK from this difference. Here, it sometimes leads to consenting intercourse seeing the slightly (say, two or three years) older boyfriend getting jail time, and possibly even having to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. It's quite possible that one of the guys living under the bridge in the above post is in that situation because he had a consenting relationship with a sixteen year old when he was eighteen.

    But the line has to be drawn somewhere. It's all too easy for physical maturity to outstrip mental maturity. When my cousin was not quite thirteen, she was already 5'7", and had a good figure. She was very pretty, and was constantly mistaken for someone in her late teens. But mentally she was very much a thirteen year old, and I think laws designed to keep predatory older men at bay were a good thing.
     
  13. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Good point but nonetheless there should be exceptions for, say, couples who are close in age. Two people having a consenting relationship does not become some sort of crime because one of them is 18 and the other one is 16.
     
  14. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Ah yes, the old double standard. The men were sneaking around having sex with each other's wives, but pretending it wasn't happening.
    Yes, I have a friend whose 18 year-old son slept with his 17.9 year-old girlfriend. Her father got pissed off and had him busted for statch. He's now on the "sexual predator list" and can't get a job or an apartment.

    This was in some little theocratic piss-hole like Kansas. Fortunately he came back to live with his mother in California. She dutifully took him to the police station to register. The lady looked up his record and started laughing. She tore up his paperwork and said, "Welcome back to the Golden State, son. Have a nice life."
     
  15. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Fucks sake I feel so sorry for that poor guy. How the shit is having consensual sex with someone 3 MONTHS younger than you a crime??
     
  16. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    There used to be this little known, and extremely retarded, law in Ireland where the age was 15 for a boy and 17 for a girl.

    So if a boy of 15 had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend...theoretically...that's rape...
     
  17. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    Re double standards.

    I don't think anyone here is suggesting that married men who screw around are doing nothing wrong.

    However, men and women are different. There was a study published in New Scientist a while back that reported the results of interviewing both married men and women about their reaction to their spouse theoretically being unfaithful.

    Turns out that men would be most upset if their wives had sex with another guy. The women, though, were more likely to be upset if their husband got into a deeply loving and romantic relationship with another woman, even if he did not actually have sex with her.

    There is a slightly different cause for jealousy between the genders. Males are paranoid about their wives bearing another man's child. Women are equally paranoid, but more about another woman stealing their husband. At least, that is how the researchers interpreted their results.
     
  18. DNA100 Registered Senior Member

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    One thing that I never understand is that why should we punish someone for just having pictures?It's like we are pretending to be prophets.Just having pictures isn't going to make someone do REAL crimes.
     
  19. Danny G "Listen.. you smell something" Registered Senior Member

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    Having the pictures, means that, at some point the child would have had to have been abused to have the photograph taken, its encouraging the photographer to take more.
     
  20. DNA100 Registered Senior Member

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    I don't agree with that.

    Firstly very realistic images can be created using computer these days.

    Next, a lot of times a picture can be taken of a 2 yr old in his/her bath-tub.Is that child abuse?

    In a lot of countries like japan,it's actually the reverse.Children are supposed to have nothing to hide so it's adult nudity that actually takes the more serious role.

    A bunch of 9-10 year olds bathing naked in an Indian pond is filmed.Is that child abuse.I don't think any of the kids will mind that.
     
  21. Danny G "Listen.. you smell something" Registered Senior Member

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    My apologies, i mis-read your post, i took it as the children were getting sexually abused in the pictures, not just candid bathtub / pond images
     

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