Mods that care... speek up.!!!

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by cluelusshusbund, Jun 8, 2010.

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What is you'r view of the pont system.???

  1. No changes needed.!!!

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  2. Changes needed.!!!

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  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Well... the way you used it... its ment to de-rale this thred an get it locked.!!!

    Obstinance met wit respect is mor condusive to learnin (an a mor intelegent Sciforums) than a ban.!!!

    As little as you can muster if rational discourse ant you'r gole.!!!

    Ive suggested that mods set the good esample by treetin all posters wit respect... an its my contintion that mods showin respect in the face of obstinace is condusive to rational discourse... an the clear message sent by respectful mods is that Sciforums is an intelegent community willin to discuss opposin views.!!!

    When rational discourse is imposible... respectfuly wit-draw from the discusson.!!!
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    “ So whats you'r gole when you choose to treet people disrespectfuly.??? ”

    I thank a mor laid-back/relaxed attitude about other peoples ignerence woud make Drwyddryr a mor happy camper.!!!
     
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  3. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    Which you did.

    Lie. I am well aware of what self-evident means. My issue was with you using the term to escape your obligation to support supposition with evidence and argumentation. Your continual misrepresentations of my contention (much as you misrepresented draqon's contention) are, um, what would you call it... 'intellectually dishonest'.

    Nuh-uh!

    Only from you.

    You goad to provoke an angry response. You retaliate to make yourself feel better. Sounds like trollin' to me.


    Nah, I might operate by your standards and simply claim that stating that evidence exists is proof enough.

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    Well, you're able to punish anyone who whips your ass in argumentation with your moderator privileges, so I'd say that you have an elevated status.
     
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  5. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    Precisely! How is it that a poster almost universally regarded as the forum idiot can see a truth which almost the entire moderating team cannot? Attacking an individual simply makes them dig their heels in, putting them in the ban cycle merely starts a downward spiral, belittling them when you lock their threads merely instills a reactionary 'I'll show you fuckwit!' mentality.

    How many posters who are belittled and placed in the ban cycle show an improvement in behaviour? I'm going to conjecture a tiny minority, possibly none at all. This results in many key contributors being banned or just leaving for greener pastures. Who is left behind? The boring residue, the veteran posters who are privileged because of their opinions/status/race/religion/gender and spew out the same rhetoric again and again while preaching to the choir. BORING. If we are going to have rhetoric and bullshit on this forum, can't we at least have it from many different viewpoints? I'm tired of reading the same old shit from the same old assholes who have monopolised particular subfora.

    I've suggested this multiple times.

    Yep.

    Yep.
     
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  7. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    Clueless,
    I just wanted to say that I must be the exception forcing Mordea to use 'almost' in 'almost universally regarded as the forum idiot'. Please don't feel, even ironically, belittled.
     
  8. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think he is an idiot. However, reading the horrible spelling in his posts is as painful as having my balls crushed in a steel vice. I wish he'd use a spell check.
     
  9. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
    Obstinance met wit respect is mor condusive to learnin (an a mor intelegent Sciforums) than a ban.!!!

    O i thank they see it... well at leas mos of 'em... an even tho they didnt invent it they certanly know how to use it... an i mus admit... they "clique" together quite nicely... an how ever they want to run this forum im up for it... but i thank the turmoil about what they want this forum to be lyes squarely on the shoulders of the owners.!!!

    oK i dont... hmmm... i dont thank ive ever felt belittled... lol... but thanks anyway

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    A-Man.TTT

    Yes som people do suffer because of it... but my spellin serves as a safety valve for the general publick... you see... my spellin causes 75% of the people not to read my posts... an the reason thats a good thang is... mos people CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH i tell... eh.!!!
     
  10. MacGyver1968 Fixin' Shit that Ain't Broke Valued Senior Member

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    He intentionally spells that way for some reason...and I take offense to those calling him the forum idiot...god damnit!!...that's my title!!!

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  11. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Don't worry Mac - Forum fool and Forum idiot are not mutually exclusive - especially now that our pet Draqon is gone! I can only aspire to that drunken pedestal you teeter on - for real!


    I don't think so, Timmy. Many people read your posts, they just get aggravated doing so. Over time, I have found that your posts actually have content worth reading - in most cases. Why you affect that spelling style is your own business, but for me it has got to the point where I can read it without slowing me down much. (Almost like learning a new language) Whatever makes you happy...

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    As to Dywyddyr - well he may come off as a smart ass, but he knows his shit. Rarely, if ever, have I caught him in a factual error. Most intelligent people are arrogant - even those that only think they are intelligent, including myself. We have no choice - it's a side effect of dealing with idiots, day in, day out.


    Meanwhile, back on topic... Clueluss, do you really want moderation to be totally arbitrary and capricious?

    I didn't think so! You're playing a game here, and trying to call the Mods out on their own bullshit. It's not working. They've got your number, and are not about to fall for the "oh so unsubtle" traps you are attempting to lay. Perhaps you are even one layer deeper - trying to point out some of the hypocracy that occurs here, as it always occurs in any social institution. However, you haven't found an effective way to illustrate it, nor offered a viable alternative. Given the dynamics of this site (and other forums), I have to say the Mods do a decent job. This from someone who managed to get banned within two weeks of joining. You don't seriously want a site ran without the writ of law, do you?

    Would you really like a situation where you have no guidelines, no idea whatsoever what might get you "banned"? Really? I don't think so... I think you are hung up on Draqon's banning - he was harmless, but he skated the line, continuously. Although his last post to Trippy could be interpreted in just about any way, it was not what we would usually classify as "sensitive". But, then again, Draq was like that. Keep in mind, I liked Draq. He just finally fell through the ice....

    Having said all that, Timmy, come out and let us see your real agenda - hell, I might even side with you.
     
  12. Gustav Banned Banned

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    this dwhatever mod is a nasty piece of work
    please get the fuck out of this forum
    thanks
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    That is the goal.

    Yes, there will be times where moderators will be glib when banning another person. Usually it will help diffuse a very tense situation where insults are flying left right and centre.. For example, a thread that is very intense with all sides very passionate about a certain subject and one member steps in and does the full on racist or bigotted response that is so bad that it makes you want to throw up. To diffuse that kind of situation, in giving that member a ban for that spectacular display of horror, will say 'enjoy your holiday'.. It can help diffuse that tense situation.

    Now I am not saying it is right to insult a member in how moderators administer their roles here. It does happen. I sometimes ask myself how much respect should I, as a moderator (yes again) give to someone who comes into a thread and threatens another member, their family or makes revolting and disparaging remarks about that person and/or their families (such as calling for a genocide upon their race or nationality)? If telling them to 'enjoy their holiday' is a disrespectful to such a member who makes such comments in the first place? Fine. I'll admit to being disrespectful. But if it helps ensure that threads aren't closed in response to such statements by such a member by diffusing it by saying in the open to 'enjoy that holiday' when giving a temporary ban? I'll do it without hesitation.

    I also make disparaging remarks when banning spammers from this site, such as 'do you people never learn?'.. Disrespectful? Yep. But such individuals should also have some respect for this forum as a whole.

    No one is perfect. I'm not saying any moderator on this forum is perfect. Far from it. I mean hell, they got me back.. Which indicates some sense of insanity in the situation in my opinion..

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    I will say this however, if and when moderators fuck up, no one in that forum stays quiet. I think what would go a long way in this forum, well any forum really, is a sense of humility, both from moderators and members and from that respect. We aren't better than you and you aren't better than us.. We should be equal on this forum. Our ability to close threads and ban people should not make us better than anyone else. We shouldn't lord it over other people. I participate in threads in other forums as a member and if I am insulting or breaking the rules, then I invite the moderators of that forum to pull me up on it. That is only fair. One thing I have noticed coming back is how there is a sudden and instant barrier between me and you now that I'm a moderator again. I don't like that barrier. And I think that kind of barrier is a part of the problem. After a while, we stop seeing things from your perspective and only see it from our perspective. And that's bad.

    I am not disagreeing with what you have been saying clueless. Far from it. My advice, if you see any person on this forum, moderator or member alike, being disrespectful, PM the moderators and the admin with your concerns. Please, I beg you. Because without that, we don't know and sometimes can't know simply because we sometimes become so far removed that we only start seeing things from our own perspective. It happens with everything we might do in life, not just with moderating this site. I notice it where I work. And I force myself to get past it by looking at it from the perspective of others. So yeah. If you see me losing perspective, tell me.

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    He makes himself understood, which is all that matters and should matter. Does not make what he is saying any less relevant.
     
  14. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    I respectfully disagree. There is no doubt that Cluelusshusbund’s (mis)spelling is entirely deliberate (with the aid of online “redneck translators”). And the fact that this deliberate action is very annoying for many people (myself included) is grounds for regarding it as a form of trolling, in my opinion. So the longer cluelusshusbund wants to continue making an issue of moderator banning practices, the more inclined I become to give him a first hand experience of it.
     
  15. kira Valued Senior Member

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    I haven't read the last 4 pages, just jumped to this page, coz I am in hurry (cooking french fries for preparation of watching world cup:
    cola: check
    chicken wings: check
    french fries: in preparation
    mayonese: check
    tomato sauce: check
    mustard: check)

    ^^, what I mean is, Clueluss used to have a stalker in other forum, the stalker is obsessed with him, so pls give it a break, let him post with his new style.
     
  16. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    What changes did i recomend that even made you thank that.???

    I agree.!!!

    Agan... what changes did i recomend that even made you thank that.???

    Not that i know of... an not that ive researched it... but aparently he kept brakin the rules :shrug:

    Im a guest here... if it coms to a pont whare i ant happy here i will leave... in the meantime im givin my 2 cents wort about Sciforum goverment... an it seems to me... that managment has no clear direction... or unable to implement the directon they do haave... in ether case... the ultimate gole of the suggestons im makin is for the beterment of Sciforums... an if som hyprocracy is weeded out in the meantime... well.... thats a cherry on top... eh.!!!
     
  17. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    The position is Voluntary, people that participate in the forum are not customers as no product is being sold, while you might imply a service is being provided you should take into consideration while it's free to join the site is privately owned making this more of a executive club.

    If certain individuals play up, we have to evict them from the premises because they undermine the status quo of the overall forum.

    Now you can frown about it, call it nazi if you wish but at the end of the day thats pretty much what you agree to by being a member here.

    If you moan about your job 24/7, why would you stick at it? The same could be said about the forum and it's operation.
     
  18. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I say the odds are slim to none that it difusses a tense situaton when a mod gives a partin-shot of a smart-azz remark to the person ther bannin.!!!

    Im of a mind... that in general... disrespect begets disrespect... an mods bein disrespectful to posters is not the way to go if the gole of Sciforums is to becom a mor intelegent comunity.!!!

    If i had ever felt it necesary to becom a part of that (reportin stuff/PM'in mods wit complants)... id have alredy been gone... lol.!!!

    Im satisfied wit the level of awareness managment seems to have... an sure it may get a bit out of whack ever now an then but its a self-corectin thang.!!!
     
  19. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    There is such a thing as voluntary employment.

    Why does a product need to be sold in order for us to be customers? Many businesses do not offer a product, but a service. The owner pays to keep this forum up and running. We members have the privilege of posting on this forum. The content we provide keeps the forum viable. Moderators and administrators are employed on a voluntary basis to manage this investment according to the whims of the owner, and enforce the rules of conduct that have been laid out. You aren't the law, you enforce the law. Unfortunately, you seem to have forgotten this. Or perhaps you'd like us to forget it. Some of us haven't.

    The fact that this site *is* privately owned is precisely why the moderators should be bound to follow the rules laid down, just as we are. This might come as a shock, but you don't pay for this site. You're employed on a voluntary basis to manage it for the owners. So strutting around acting as though you own the place while looking down on us is a bit of a slap in the face to both the owners, and us regular members.

    Ahh, so it's all about preserving the status quo? I already knew this, but it's nice that at least one of the mod-squad is honest enough to admit it.

    I mean, fuck enforcing the rules that ensure that customers remain loyal and your employer's business remains viable, right? Any criticism which might have the potential to improve how this forum is run and achieve the business's mission should be stifled in case certain individuals lose their over-rated position of influence, yes? As long as you get to strut around fondling your phallus shaped mod hammer, everything is hunky dory.

    Boy oh boy, it is indeed pathetic when people are so defensive over such an insignificant and tiny fraction of power and influence. It's just an internet forum, dudes. I hate to see you guys with any real power. If you were democratically elected into government, you'd probably declare a dictatorship and martial law the next day.

    Nope. False. Wrong. Inaccurate. I agreed to the Terms of Service when I became a member. I never agreed to suck mod cock or kiss veteran member ass.

    Frankly, I couldn't give a fuck about how you operate this forum. I post here occasionally when I'm bored to point out the blatant hypocrisy of the moderation and its veteran members. It amuses me to watch you guys run around claiming to create an environment of respect and integrity while doing the exact opposite. Sciforums is no longer a community I wish to be part of, and my eviction would be no skin off my nose.

    I do wonder what the owners will say when you assholes tank their operation, though. This forum was dependent on donations a while back, and I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened some time in the future.
     
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  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Incorrect. As I showed in that thread.

    I misrepresented you by quoting your post?

    Once more you're reading things that I didn't write.

    You really are amusing. Do you have any examples or is that a general (and incorrect) speculation?
     
  21. Gustav Banned Banned

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    a new criteria for modship....be a member of good standing for at least 3 years.

    when was dwhateverthefuckhisfaceis modded? a few mths after he got here (Join Date: 06-25-09)?

    /sneer
     
  22. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    'Of good standing'? Heh. Good luck finding such a member.
     
  23. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    So you blatently admit you are here to just troll. Thanks, it makes our jobs easier.
     

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