Holding short of the Full Catastrophe

No, it only means overall global density, and often country density, has to increase. There is no "fixed" pie, for people can easily substitute and find additional resources. History as already shown this. Your homework assignment, read The Ultimate Resource by Julian Simon.

Your assignment. Read the Bible and read some good economic books.

Prove you are right. Of course you can't, because you are wrong.

Why do you refuse to give people the benefit of the doubt? Who are you to accuse people, just for existing? Stop listening to the devil, and read God's Word, the Bible.

 

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Since the Earth is a fixed size and only holds so much resources (metals, water, etc) then you are in error.

Your homework: acquire some common sense.

You seem to have missed the point. YOU made the claim. it is up to YOU to substantiate this. And, FYI, I've done both, not that the bible was up to much.

Still wrong. You made the claim...

You obviously have comprehension problems.
A) I haven't "refused people the benefit of the doubt".
B) I haven't accused anyone.
C) the devil doesn't exist.
D) I have read the bible, and it has yet to be shown that god exists, let alone that it's his word.

So far you're failing at every step.

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And also sailing very close to trolling. Please take that into consideration.

 

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title: So why do you mock my beliefs, rather than trying to understand?

No, you are in error. And it doesn't sound like you did your homework of reading Julian Simon.

God has provided all the resources for all the people there will be. Just look at Obama's oil spill. Shows there's plenty of oil, but no thanks to tyrant Obama's marxist anti-American policies, oil rigs are leaving, and I even heard that some oil rig workers are leaving the country, now that Obama put them out of work. Other countries are drilling oil, but our gasoline prices are still too high, because we don't have sense enough to develop our resources. Now if you lead a horse to water, and it won't drink, how then can we say the world doesn't have enough water for all the people? If they refuse to drink or harvest the resources already here?

There is yet another problem with the running-out-of-resources argument, you should consider. If people are to be disallowed to have their God-given children, on account, supposedly, of not enough resources to go around, then isn't that implying that the government owns the resources, and thus is allowed to create phony manufactured shortages, for whatever reason they want, say like to line the pockets of those of a certain political persuasion? So are you in favor of such poverty tyranny as well?

How do you say that I am in error, when I showed you how I am correct, and admitted up front, that a rising population means a more dense planet? Now go do your homework, so that you can know what you are talking about.

I already have common sense. BTW, why isn't common sense common anymore?

Wrong. I am not on staff, hired to educate you. It is the duty of the student (you) to search out the truth.

Comprehension problem not found. Whatever are you talking about?

Apparently you have refused people the benefit of the doubt, since you refuse to consider valid reasons why many families just need to be large, or to respect people's choices to have many children.

Glad to hear you finally agree with me, seeing as you no longer accuse anybody of having had "too many" children?

Now why have you said this? You think anybody will be convinced of this your specious claim, with you having offered no evidence of this at all? I offer as evidence, the front page of most any newspaper. Why then is there so much deception and violence and human-problem-puking bad news? Did the devil tell you to lie? Or if there is no devil, does that make you the devil, since you are in error, to say the least? Now how many religiions are there, that say there's a devil. Do even Muslims believe there's a devil? So which religion are you, to say this? An evolutionist/atheist? Aren't those people devil-followers, since they reject God?

Read it again. Why do I have trouble believing you? Could it be that not even most Christians have read the Bible? Shame on them. They say they believe it, and yet don't read it, so they don't even know what they believe? I've read the Bible cover to cover many times. So while you were reading, did you see a verse something about, The fool has said in his heart, there is no God. What does this mean to you?

How do you figure, since your sin and lack of belief, aren't you responsible for that, not I? Am I your Church pastor? How am I responsible for you? If you don't want to believe what I tell you, that's on you, not on me. I've explained it about as well as I can. I'll even tell you more, if you have any more questions to ask me. And have you even given me the benefit-of-the-doubt, in accepting that people's beliefs are going to vary somewhat? I just can't fit into today's marxist false liberal "one size fits all" tyranny, of saying all families must be small, in order to "stabilize" (stagnate) the world's huge and growing human population. I just don't believe that, for very good reasons which I have told you of.

I've responded to most all your claims and questions. What more do you expect from me? Surely you don't expect me to agree with your errors?

 

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Why do you think if you reject God means that you accept Satan?

 

There's a 3rd option?

 

I demand an immediate apology for your slander. I committed no infraction, and i provided ample evidence, and you know it. You are a liar. I have answered your questions many times.

I find you in violation for not debating fair.

And why are you pretending to be a mod, since you don't act like a mod? I'm a mod (elsewhere), and you appear to be an impostor of some sort, making false accusations against me.

This discussion is over, until you put aside your evil spirit of argument, and ask me an honest question.

 

You provided no evidence, merely hearsay, "everybody knows" handwaving and references to god.

On the contrary, that would be you.

Nope, that was you against me, posts #41 and #43.

Well you got part of it right. It is over, but not for the reason you stated.

 

Let the record show, that it was Dywyddyr who derailed this discussion.

 

This person seems to believe that having sex while trying to not have babies is profane because you are denying potential new humans their destined conceptions and births.

 

I find the connection between belief in God and denial of science to be sickening. Believers think the Earth was put here just for God's special creatures, the human beings, and this is a dangerous and false idea. It makes them think that resources are endless and we can keep pumping out brats forever, and the government doesn't need to take any care about their education or well being. They love the fetus and hate the child. They think the Earth has a creamy nougat center of petroleum, and that the addition of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere will not result in major catastrophe. These people are the enemy of mankind. The sad thing is these stupid people breed more and spread their idiocy around. Evolution created the need for sex, but we don't have to accept that sex always leads to babies. We should be doing everything possible to encourage non-reproductive sex.

If we don't reduce our population it will be reduced for us. Peak oil will lead to a more violent, less prosperous world in which life expectancy will plummet. The developed world will claim the oil rich places of the Earth in a last ditch attempt to avoid facing the inevitable. The green economy will consist of many more people going back to agriculture and jobs that have real meaning, where people actually make things to last, that people need.

What will the great moron majority do? Fascism probably. They will elect corn-pone Nazis as stupid as they are like Sarah Palin. Instead of investing in appropriate technologies and architecture, they will double down on their errors.

Just study history and learn that many civilizations collapsed for ecological reasons, compounded by failures in social institutions that could have saved them.

 

Odd.
In my view, the 'record' shows that this thread was derailed right from the beginning.

 

Yes it is, but you posting here.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=102685

 

a quick post, as I have to run an errand

There is no reasonable basis to assume that we can stop babies from "keep pumping out" from at least the faithful of many religions, especially among immigrants, Muslims, who multiply like rabbits, as my Pastor said, and perhaps Catholics and many other religions. Is it wrong to take this into account when making reasonable population growth projections? While many people may choose to not have many children, if they are able to control it, they have no right to choose this contrary to the freedoms of the "rampant breeders" or whatever some may choose to call them. Population phobics can't prove that the world can't somehow hold more people, so why should we prolifers have to "prove" that it can? Some of us will try, as we can, but let's be fair and realistic please.

On at least a list of methods I read in some contraceptive pamphlet, didn't I see the "no method" method still listed? Can we agree then, that the "no method" method is still among the valid choices, to say the least?

Like I haven't hear that a 100 times? But it's not true. Population keeps going up and up, proving that nature will not, or can't, reduce our numbers. I'm be happy to elaborate more, as to why, later. Population pessimists, claim that because it hasn't happened yet, population hasn't "crashed" yet, only proves it will happy tomorrow or next year. Proof please. I have yet to see any proof. It's like saying clapping hands keeps the lion away, or the sky from falling. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Until I see proof, why are my proofs not enough?

Or they collapsed due to individual and national/regional sins, bad leadership, or lack of interest or economic activity, and so people moved away?

BTW, do you have any evidence or proof that Sarah Palin is a fascist? Why didn't you just say something easy to defend, that you don't like Sarah, and tell us why?

BTW, I did sign an online petition "Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less." Anybody care to prove me wrong? If so, be my guest.

Catch you all later. Gotta go.

 

Hey you said Obama was a Marxist with no proof, so I can call Palin a fascist.

 

Yes, funny how you don't apply the same scepticism to your own arguments, isn't it?

 

Pronatalist: Dy's right - you are engaging in handwaving. Enough hearsay.

 

sure - how about "reject them both as infantile superstitions"

and thats just for starters

 

George Carlin - Don't worry about the planet, the planet will be fine. It's us humans that are fucked!