Maximal Intelligence

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by wesmorris, Oct 5, 2010.

  1. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    No.
    That applies to almost all issues really.
    Yet, a conclusion is reached and agreed upon in those situations.
    The idea is that the odds increase with more people.
    No.

    As the OP asks, 'the end game of smart' sounds suspiciously like the Omnipotent "God" described in religions. Even so, I doubt there not only is any such being; I doubt that anything can reach an End game of smart- Infinite Knowledge.
    Infinite Knowledge would require that being to be in all places in the universe at all times for all of infinite time.

    Who decides what is smart?
    I do.
    I decide it daily. Especially with the kooks on the internet.
     
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  3. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    Let's say you have a person and you give him regular implants of stem cells to keep them at say, age 35 physically and mentally. I would say they would get smarter as time goes by. After 100 years they would be extremely intelligent. After 200 years they would be even smarter. Playing this out, I think that person would end up with the sum knowledge of humanity in their head, like a living computer. I also think this extremely high intelligence would sprout up new ideas and change everyone's way of thinking. I think these are the limits of human intelligence.
     
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    Interesting read. Thank you for inserting it into our own "collective". It seems to be that a "socially organized collective" is at the root of this creative function. And that the "number of women" in the collective seems beneficial in enhancing the level of it's success.

    Even as it implies the input of higher intellectuals is "averaged out" within the collective, it does not reduce the essential need for that input. It is pleasing to see the enabling of such numbers, working together.

    And, that the higher intellects may further fashion uses for such large mind banks, beyond the intention of the collective.
     
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  7. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    my two cents..

    there will be NO one human that can contain all the knowledge of the human race..no matter how old they live to be.we as humans are susceptible to our own humanity..we make mistakes..we forget..we misinterpret..we devalue information..we succumb to the attitude of those in authority of us..etc

    i also believe that as human individuals we are not supposed to know everything there is to know,

    of course i am not speaking about humans as a whole..as a whole we have the capability to know all there is to know.

    the only way i can explain it is like..

    person a knows value A = 2
    person b knows value B= 4
    person c knows value C= 6
    person d knows where the + goes
    person e knows where the = goes..

    together they know 2+4=6
    it is through this that humans will know all there is to know

    just another random thought from the peanut gallery..
     
  8. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    In fact, the older they get, the more they forget

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    It seems to me the same, no Human Being could reach an End game. What comes after humans... hmmm... That's interesting speculation...

    This begs the question: How is this knowledge contained?
    Can a library be a source of knowledge and one must simply read it?
    If so, could a library be developed into an end game?

    If a library could... must we construct one?

    Because if one speaks of all knowledge contained in the Universe, then the Universe itself would be that endgame library.
    And we're lined up with our library cards...

    Then again... what about that which may exist outside of the universe? As vast as the Universe is, it's only logical to reason that if there is an outside, it must be far more vast... or extremely tiny. As in tinier than any particle collider's ever imagined.
    Kinda curtails the "infinite" requirement...
     
  9. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    LOL..:roflmao:

    i represent that comment....
     
  10. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps, you should avoid using analogies in the future. They don’t seem to have the same “range of influence.”
    This was better than the pungent rose, if you haven’t forgotten?

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  11. M00se1989 Banned Banned

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    The library we have is the internet.... thats obvious. Its also obvious we use it improperly some times.

    The ultimate truth to knowledge is there is no end as time passes some ideas are lost as far as the mental and physical abilities of each person. Each person can not explain the deepest reasons to their thoughts in reality. There is always more to learn as knowledge is passed from generation to generation. But mathematically speaking there is an end when all ideas across the globe are shared equally without bias but also with the psychological and physical benefit of proper training in life. It is only inevitable that all life will one day cast aside all laws. The morals contained within every soul will balance as one set of shared beliefs dominates the whole of our existence as society learns from all history about itself and lives for the future. Then we will realize what we are made of in this infinite universe and make our own in our own image. Life creates life in every aspect of our existence.
     
  12. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    So um, Wes, just to get back to your question. Intelligence is infinite because there is and always will be something new to learn, in that sense it's never ending.

    Can a person know everything? I would bet on no.

    Can a machine know everything? I would bet on no. A machine can store knowledge programmed into it and in the future may even learn to program itself and learn, a lot. But it can never know everything because as said, intelligence is never ending, an ongoing project.

    Can god know everything? If there were such a thing as an omnipotent and infinite god, and I suspect there isn't, I would expect it to know a hell of a lot by anybody's standard, I would expect that it would have unfathomable intelligence but it would be a lonely old sod.
     
  13. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Hmmmm, that was not the best way to start out an argument. The "Ultimate Truth."
    How does one define and Ultimate Truth?
    Do you have any evidence to support your claim that you're about to reveal an Ultimate Truth?

    Within seconds of reading your first post, I knew -- You're the kind of poster that likes to doll up words to make his argument seem more appealing. I'm going to have to watch out for you....

    Well, now... Let's move on and find out what this Ultimate Truth is, shall we?

    Ok...

    So I got to the bottom of that and now I need to go perform some math equation or something to get back the I.Q. points I lost reading that.


    Thanks alot.
     
  14. machaon Registered Senior Member

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    Infinite intelligence assumes everything is knowable. That is probably not the case. But how would I know?
     
  15. Mystical Sadhu Registered Member

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    Demonstrative of the hologramatic continuity of the Universe, as is our reproduction method. The more awake one's mind the more natural knowing comes through.

     
  16. kmguru Staff Member

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    Watch tonight's "Fringe" in Fox Channel, you will see an example of hyper intelligence...imagined by the authors...
     
  17. keith1 Guest

    Perhaps I should have included that the statement wasn't mine, but from the source you provided (at 4 minutes in)
     
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    Perhaps I should have included that the statement wasn't mine, but from the source you provided (at 4 minutes in)--courtesy MIT
     
  19. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Darn! I was giving you extra bonus points for that one. I guess you’re just left with the “range of influence” analogy, mores the pity.

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  20. keith1 Guest

    I didn't get the "range of influence analogy" part. We are not on the same planet tonight. Sorry?:huh::shy:
     
  21. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Oh my God! You're either kidding or backpedaling. The vulgarity...remember!
     
  22. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    bummer..missed it..
     
  23. Kajalamorth The Doctor Registered Senior Member

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    I think you got to search on a little thing called transhuman. They speak have article about it on wikipedia. It gives you the outline of the postulation. You should also search Clarke's Three Laws.

    Now on Maximal Intelligence. We can always make our selves smarter their are several methods. But right their is no point and their is a little thing called religion that's getting in the way. But I don't mind. If they released the technology out right not... It could mean war. The more unfortunate people will be too poor to be able to afford this technology. They may fight back. Especially if they have children.

    We care about our youth because its our instinct what would happen if you had a child and no matter what you did the child what have a disadvantage in life? And the cause of this is some crazy health care plan that only the rich can afford???
     

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