Why Have Americans Become So Afraid Of Socialist Politics?

I do not understand if you wanted or because ignorance,
you mix the notion of socialism with the notion of social protection.

Socialism determine how the government to interfere in the economy.
Socialism denies private property.

 

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You seem to have a strange notion that capitalism and universal healthcare are incompatible - and yet every civilised country on the planet - socialist, capitalist, and every shade inbetween, provides universal free healthcare to its citizens.

 

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Those of us who grew up in the time - and in Europe - were rather more afraid of some "paranoid nut case" in America pressing the button, Americans not exactly being well known for rational thinking when it comes to "communism."

 

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But thats the point! socialized medicine and social services have a very tenuous connection to socialism.
Australia and England have had medicare for generations and you wouldn't call these countries communist.
And then we hear about what Obama's having to go through to set up a medicare system in the US and how so called free market capitalists are fighting this tooth and nail. Shouting "Communism! We'll all be doomed!" Frankly it makes you look insane. One right wing nut even started accusing Australia of being a communist sleeper cell and saying that Australian's have been brainwashed by our version of the politburo.

And capitalism in medical research can go too far as is evidenced by the patenting of human Genes by companies. You can discover a Gene for a certain condition but I really can't see how anyone can rightfully claim ownership of something that has already existed.

 

Do you remember this Reagan quote:

"My fellow Americans. I'm pleased to announce that I've signed legislation outlawing the Soviet Union. We begin bombing in five minutes." -
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He said this during a mike check. It was a joke, but the quote got out. For deterrence to work, the other side has to believe you'd push the button. Few doubted that Reagan would.

Regarding rational thinking regarding communism, the concept back then in America was "Better Dead than Red".

 

Americans are afraid of many things these days not just socialism and that is by design. First, most Americans- especially those that frequently use the term - have no idea as to what the word means. And we have a political party that has learned to use fear to help them gain and keep political power...the Republican Party.

Fear makes people do irrational things and fear makes people more susceptible to mainpulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfnBcm66Wvk&feature=related

http://www.depression.oldguy.us/fear.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLG9TmRt0NM

 

socialism would work if we can keep man out of it..

IOW absolute powers corrupts..

put ANYONE in a position that determines who gets what and it will fail,
if they were to create a computer program that distributes resources it would be worth considering as computers don't play favorites,(this does not consider malicious viruses directing the resources into someones pocket)

as an ideal, socialism would delete the desire for monetary focus,IOW would you work as hard to get your money? it would eliminate certain problems that the capitalistic frame of mind creates..

there have been several attempt at socialism and they have all failed,i think it would work if we eliminated the human factor..IOW don't let humans use it to control other humans..

 

I put the word miracle in quotes and not literally a "miracle"....it's a figure of speech that that have used before.

Of course it isnt necessary. I never said that money was a requirement.

 

No one could possibly know what you mean by "outside local capitalist systems". Why dont you post some citations to back up what sounds like cherry picking. They dont make heart medication in universities, thet dont (normally) make advancements to all the other medications people take who would have died without them or the machines used in dialysis, monitoring and the list goes on and on. Now i know we all sit here and BS but VERY, VERY few people turn down advanced medical care or medication when they need it.

My point was that we would be around 60 years behind if there was not a capitalist system. And like i said i am not aware of people turning down medication. For example a 30-40 year old has a stroke and not one would decline a pill to make them live.

Where is there a school that you get paid to get good grades?

 

They also provide police, firemen, garbage collection and many other things but you are so ignorant that you cant see that it is your tax MONEY (maybe not yours, if you dont pay taxes) that is paying these people. Even universal healthcare, the money comes from somewhere.

But lets pretend: What entirely socialist system\country can you name that was successful? Just...when i think of socialism i think of Jim Jones' "Peoples Temple" or the Manson Family.

 

These countries provide services but there is no guarantee they will always provide them because there will come a time when they wont be able to provide them just based on sheer numbers alone and if they dont get help from other countries. But you, like Synthesizer Patel, are not taking into consideration that your health care providers get paid and the whole industry relies on peole who get paid...do you really want health care providers to get paid with Pinwheels "moral compass" and expect them to be consistent?

 

again with the bizarre assumptions

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what....a bizarre sentence.

 

Joe, not wanting something (which we all know the U.S has many socialist agencies) does not mean people are afraid or "fear it" I dont want peas does not mean i fear peas. Maybe they give me gas, maybe i dont like the way they taste. Did the Russians fear Communism? Cubans fear socialism, Chines or North Koreans fear Capitilasism, socialism or Communis?

 

But those were your own words:

John99: How would you gauge good?

Pinwheel: I'd use a moral compass.

John99: YOUR moral compass?

And then what?

A MORAL COMPASS for art?

Too many things wrong with that.

Edit: Bear in mind we are talking about good work or doing a good job\task...which you already knew was the case, but keeping things in context.

 

what an odd line of thought....

 

Exactly.

 

Ok John.......whatever you say....

*steps away*

 

And where is you "moral compass" when you were proven worng?

 

John you crack me up lol. Im not sure you even know what the hell your talking about.