Cloned meat "safe to eat" in the UK

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  1. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    How about just giving the consumer choice? I would choose not to eat it, case closed.
     
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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    How about we label products out of Africa as "Made by Negros" so that consumers can have their rightful choice?
     
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  5. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    You really should admit defeat before resorting to the absurd.
     
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  7. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    EF is 100% correct.
    It is ridiculous to put stuff on labels that has no practical value. I am all for more information on food labels, but it should mean something. The distinction between cloned or non cloned meat is meaningful only to those who are consumed with superstition. Perhaps we should label meat as being slaughtered under a full moon while wiccan prayors are being said. That is equally meaningful or meaningless.

    If the meat was labelled with saturated fat content, or vitamin B12, or iron or zinc content, that might be meaningful. Cloned or not is a meaningless distinction.
     
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    How is that absurd? I'm sure there are people out that that would like to know what products have been build or handled by black people, because they believe blacks are filthy, diseased, unterpeople. Should they not be correctly informed so that they can have that choice?
     
  9. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    Well wow many people really care how many microgrammes of vit B12 is in thier sausage? To most people it's an irrelevence. Labelling something as cloned would cost no more, so why not. Arguing against this "ethical" information merely suggests that the scientists have something to hide and will just annoy people.
    Most foods already have labelling of the country of origin. It males no difference whether my corned beef comes from Argentina or Brazil. It would be far more important to label something as cloned. There is no rational arguement to omit this information. I do not agree with sneaking stuff into peoples diet that for any reason they do not want. Thier motives are unimportant. Then anybody who really does not mind will still buy it.
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Labeling something as "Handled by Negros" would cost no more either, so why not?

    Scientist have nothing to do with this. These are corporations making products.

    Too you it doesn't, to others it does. Take for example when that Danish cartoonist publish those cartoons of Mohammad, Muslims everywhere could demonstrate their hate for all things Danish thanks to labeling.

    Why would it be far more important to label something as cloned?

    Then there is no rational argument to omit the race of the people that handled the food?

    No matter how ignorant, bigoted and irrational that reasoning is? Now matter if through their persuasions they would cause millions to die of starvation?
     
  11. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    EF, No matter how someone came to believe what they do about cloned meat, they have an absolute right to eat or not to eat what thay want. By your reasoning, Hallal meat should not be labelled either. For that matter why label any vegitarian food as it's too irrational to bother with.
    Why do you have such opposition to peoples freedom of choise?
    This has nothing to do with superstition, and even if it did, who are you to force this meat on them? A great many, billions of people already eat specialised diets because of thier religeous beliefs, true superstition, would you advocate bulldozing thier freedoms away as well with your fascist logic?
     
  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I never said meats can't be labeled Hallal, nor vegetarian, I was not saying anything against such labeling, I was merely asking why can't we have a specific kind of label? Why can't we have a "Handled by Negros" label? Why are you dodging this question, are you, are you trying to oppose to peoples freedom of choice?
     
  13. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    You cannot put every damn thing on a food label. Even today, food labels tend to be so cluttered with information that most people do not bother reading them. So you have to be selective.

    I think country of origin is OK. Generally, the nation producing food quite likes to have that origin recognised. And it is important to lots of people, for various reasons. I cannot agree, though to putting useless information on an already crowded label without a damn good reason.

    Halal is an exception. It is also pandering to superstition, but it is a form of pandering that creates millions of dollars. Putting halal on a label is justifiable for purely economic reasons.
     
  14. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    The reason that I am not responding to this question is because it is clearly ridiculous and borderline racist and has nothing to do with the thread.

    Clearly, double standards are being employed here. There has not got to be any special labelling as a simple "GM" would do. No, you just want to force people to eat this meat whether they want to or not. Money is no justification in the interest of the consumer, who you seem determined to force this meat onto. You will find this approach will only reinforce whatever predjusices already exist, and it will work against you. Now you're trying to say I'm against freedom of choise when it is blatantly the opposite way round. I have consistently argued that the consumer has an absolute right to eat or not eat whatever they want. If GM is deliberately not labelled, you are actively infringing on the rights of the consumer.
    So far you have not shown one single reason why the consumer should be left in the dark about what they're eating. It's morally indefensible, and ethically bankrupt.
     
  15. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    Ultra

    I have given an excellent reason. In fact four good reasons.
    1. It is pandering to superstition.
    2. It has no practical value.
    3. There is no economic reason.
    4. There is limited space on food labels, and much more important information to use that space on.

    In essence, you are asking for government regulation to support people's superstitious beliefs. Why not ask for the name of the animal supplying the meat and its astrological sign as well?
     
  16. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    I don't see the big deal with cloned meat. We're already eating cloned plants.
     
  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    It has everything to do with the thread, if you put on a "cloned" label why can't you put on a "Made by Negros" label?

    Cloned does not mean "Genetically Modified"

    I'm not forcing anything, I'm asking a question, nothing more.

    Again, I'm not doing anything here so I don't know what your talking about.

    Well then you have nothing against it labeled "made by Negros" or "handled by Negros"! Just say so and be done with it!

    and here is the problem with that, say a consumer wants it label "handled by Negros" and you say "fuck you you racist pig!" and then they can claim your actively infringing on their rights.

    And you have shown not one single reason why a consumer should not be told if a product was made or handled by black people.

    Holly shit, I should only eat sagittarius meat, I demand the government label the sign the meat was born on, god forbid I get any Aries meat!
     
  18. Kat9Lives Registered Senior Member

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    yeah!! what he said..
     
  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    And the reason that trumps all of your reasons, is that I want to know what I'm spending my money on, and reward people who choose to rear livestock in the most natural way possible. It's my money, it should be my choice, so I need to be able to choose. Denying people choice is undemocratic, are you some kind of commie?
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Well I would like to reward people for birthing their livestock under the appropriate astrological sign, the government should require labeling of astrological signs on food! It's my money, it should be my choice, so I need to be able to choose. Denying people choice is undemocratic.
     
  21. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    EF, Your "arguement" if you can call it that just gets more pathetic, more racist and more laughable. No wonder people don't trust cloned meat if that really is the best you can come up with. Again I point out that people have an absolute right to eat or not eat anything they want. This includes cloned meat. The "reasons" you cite can be applied to most other foods, and are absolutely ridiculous, so what the fuck is your problem? It is clear you simply want to force the public to eat this crap whether they want to or not and deny them thier right to choose.
     
  22. greenboy Registered Senior Member

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    SInce we had Dolly the first cloned sheep, the clone techs is improved 100% clone meet is perfect to eat, and we are eating, the technique is getting better and better and 1/3 of any farmer heard in the Stated is cloned one out of three gallon of milk is coming from a cloned cow/ So there is no way for you to avoid consuming cloned meet or milk unless you get your own farm and by the cow and raise it....
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Is it an argument?, lets see:

    1. People should have the freedom of choice and be given information about what they are eating.
    2. Some people might want to know the race of the people that handled their food, or the sign the food was born under, or if it was grown under pixie dust.
    3. Therefor the government should force labeling of such things to not hinder peoples freedoms!

    yes, one or more premises and a conclusion, its an argument.

    Really? How can I be persuading people for or against, I'm merely one internet troll, do I really have ZA POWER?

    Well then once again you don't take this opportunity to state how you approve of putting on labels like "Made by Negros".

    No more ridiculous then a "Cloned" label.

    Yet you don't want the public to know the race of the food's preparers or the sign it was born under. If you believe I deny their right to choose then you must agree that you do as well.
     

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